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If you're white, you're right : Comments

By Stephen Hagan, published 25/5/2006

Not a lot has changed over the last one hundred years: racism still persists in Australian society.

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Banjo,
Nice one! I can't believe you missed that one... You sound as though you went away on vacation to planet Mars or your 'recollection' failed you lamentably. Here are the the links to the story you want, especially watch the video news clips from chennel 9 and/or ABC. Then you can come back here and probably 'apologise' for putting my principles into question. Why would i lie about such a high profile political figure. Infact i sent that piece to him and he didn't ask me to apologise to him because he said those things. Anyway here you go:
· http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au/v.htm?g=2de8468e-351c-4ff4-9919-f2ff8b8436b6&f=&fg=copy
· http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au/v.htm?g=b5d1ac33-5256-4233-bf5d-002b08dadf69&f=&fg=copy
· http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1577530.htm
· http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15&entry_id=3167
· http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/love-australia-or-leave-it-costello/2006/02/23/1140670205134.html
· http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/needlessly-confronting-foray/2006/02/23/1140670207651.html
· http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/costello-ruse-echoes-white-australia-policy/2006/03/02/1141191789281.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
· http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\02\24\story_24-2-2006_pg4_11
· http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/08/radical_muslims.php
Posted by Jigga, Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:51:03 PM
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Philo, I will help you. Lets put JIGGA's opinions on the other foot.

"Yes racists exist but my observation is that racists are just a bunch of scared and insecure losers".

"Once you have mixed with them and they discover how nice you are, they tend to 'like' you and at times even wanting to hang out with you more than their own kind".

"It's mainly ignorance that's all, implying we need to educate them more".

"The problem is that they are in the majority and education alone is going to take a long time".

"The young black mindsets are changing as they mix with other races in schools, uni, workplace, sports, etc and discover that actually what their grand Buwanas told them was in fact a lie and so their fears disappear".

"Racism in this country is mainly to do with ignorance and 'clueless".

"The populace in this country are easily manipulated by politicians and the media and they only travel to Africa and some parts of Middle East".

"But once they have expanded on their travels and horizons some of their fears that bear racism in them disappear".

"I don't know about the indigenous aboriginals but my observation as an Australian is that some of the 'racists' who stare at me on a bus or train or the street are just curios, like they have never seen a white person before in their life; or so I think".

"As for racists who attack to cause bodily harm, these are just criminals or hardcore black supremacists. An 'average' racist doesn't attack you to cause bodily harm".

"Just my observation as a white person myself".

"The article was very interesting and articulate though. These are realities and denying and pretending like these things don't happen is dangerous".

It's true fellow white people can even more racist to their fellow white brothers and sisters once they have an 'association' with black.

I'm thinking because they feel insecure and inferior, they tend to feel superior once they have established that 'connection' with blacks.

PEACE AND ONE LOVE! mmm!
Posted by Suebdootwo, Sunday, 28 May 2006 2:05:46 PM
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BOAZ_David,
What are “OUR” values? I mean what are Australian values?
Christians are known to be tolerant and embrace those with ‘values’ and beliefs different from them – whether pagans or other religions and that’s what Christ teaches us. I’m a Christian myself and Costello’s hardline on Muslims is unchristian. “Values” – not all Australians are Christians and according to Costello, the implication is that non-Christians should never live in this country. Being GAY is not a Christian value but it could be an Australian value – do you get my line of thought here?

Suebdootwo,
Substituting “white” for “black” in my posting wouldn’t change the meaning or the message of the post…. In fact it adds more value to it and solidifies the message. In this case it would apply to a racist country dominated by blacks that have discriminatory tendencies towards minority whites. I really don’t get what your argument is here…. May be you can explain it in your own words rather than re-posting my post with only the word black replaced by white. Are you trying to say that if white was in place of black then the message inferred would all be different?

PEACE N ONE LOVE!
Posted by Jigga, Sunday, 28 May 2006 4:22:36 PM
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Jigga,
You claim that Peter Costello made comments about deporting Australian citizens. Further you implied that what he said was racist.

I'll go further than my previous advice. I believe that you deliberately used your own words to describe the Treasurers comments to push your own ideology. No where in his speech or in the links, you provided, did he say anything about deporting Australian citizens or anything that a reasonable person could possibly interpret as racist.

You did not simply draw a long bow, you have deliberately misquoted him.

According to the links you previously provided, you are a mag editor and a born again Christen. So there is no excuse for your hypocracy.

Your standards of journalism would not suit any mag I wish to read and any Christen faith, that I know of, would be ashamed to have you in their congregation. I don't expect you to apologise as your standards are too low.
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 28 May 2006 4:58:27 PM
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Dear Jigga

The issue of 'Australian Values' and their relation to the Christian faith is quite a deep and broad topic.

We must remember also, that here in this forum, we are touching on things such as 'National Policy' in areas which are quite outside the scope of our Christian doctrine. E.g. 'Migration Policy'.

That said, 2 more things must be added:

1/ Romans 13 clearly shows that the Emporer/Governing Authorities are to make decisions for the well being of the society as a whole.
This will be based on common sense and life experience.

2/ Many of our values reflect Christian fundamentals, but, they exist because of our Judao Christian heritage, and a time when most of us had a Church connection.

Tolerance must never be 'Stupidity' and a casual glance at the events in E.Timor will demonstrate clearly which is prevailing there.
I hard line marxist prime minister (with a Muslim name I note also)
with a background in Mozamique, is trampling on ethnic sensitivities and now u see the result.

So, I think our prime need is 'wisdom' to know the difference between Tolerance and Stupidity. Pray that I will be blessed with this :)
Jesus did not tolerate the Pharisees or the Saducees, or the Lawyers...he had choice words for them :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 28 May 2006 6:06:06 PM
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BOAZ_David Why do you continually persist to ram this biblical crap down people’s throat?
Posted by Jane Doe, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 11:32:06 AM
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