Alchemists comments pricked my curiosity - "Globalisation, multicultural, multi-religious and monotheism are all failed ideologies, as are communism, capitalism, and democracy" he goes on to tell us "it" will all be over by 2010.... well Sneekee is here to tell you he is wrong. But I digress..

Earlier he said we can avoid the "clash of civilisations" referred to earlier and we can go "the other way" - but we refuse or wont or something like that.

It was all rather messianic but we were never told where is or how to get to the "the way" - but I am asking What are you talking about alchy old pal? - what IS the other way (or was it direction) after everything else has failed or is failing?

It is not really religions that are on trial here but there are many that use these forums as some kind of latter day Star Chamber - blaming religion for anything is stupid really. At the end of the day - or in the beginning if you prefer - it is competing belief systems and interests that bedevil us (yes I said bedevil)- even if you are card carrying atheist you carry with you set of beliefs that are just as likely to piss as many people off as those held dear by the Kaiser Kardinal Benedict.

And my views on the Islam/Terrorism/Crimespree/UnAustralian/overthrowourvaluesystem are well known - it cuts no ice with me - we treated the irish catholics the same way once = based on the same ignorance we show today - in a shamefully under reported speech by John Faulkner he outlined the allegations of criminality, the fear that they established their own schools and that their values were at odds with "our" own - that were levelled against the Irish.

And the great Irony is when you think of all those squeeling for assimilation and the like - that the greatest enemy of assimilation is prejudice - the type we harbour in spades towards Islam

Nothing draws people together faster or closer than a gang of thugs calling you names and twisting the truth to justify inate hatred.

I appeal to the author and all contributors to seriously consider the benefits of belief in and obedience to the tooth fairy. This cherubic seraphim will without doubt solve all the world's problems and put things right.

Thermoman, you cheeky monkey. Given the number of people in our world who live their lives everyday thinking magically, that includes our leadership, I suspect there is a group of magical thinkers out there who do indeed believe in the power of the tooth fairy. They're called children, and they are all around us.

The N.W.O. loves children, they're right up there with fundamentalist religious people, easy to manipulate.

Sneeke, 2010, by then we'll either be enslaved to a totalitarian world, full on religious war, or our society will have collapsed as health and the environment overcome us. History shows us ruling societies collapse the fastest and in a very short space of time.

I understand the fear people have of the future, thats why they cling to the falsity of religion. It keeps them where their minds are, prehistoric and fearful. It must be so frightening for those not able to see beyond the illusion, cringing in desperation to uphold their beliefs under the weight of reality.

Another direction, overturn economic growth and promote sustainable and renewable outcomes. Our entire society is dedicated to economic outcomes they're veiled under the cloke of religion. You never see a broke church, but you see a lot of broke people. Monotheists rave about the good works of the churches in welfare, but they fail to accept that most of the problems have been caused by monotheistic intervention in peoples lives in the first place. But it won't happen, the self-righteous will ensure that we continue down the path chosen by god, death and destruction

Sneeke, people beliefs only piss others off when they are forced upon others. No ones beliefs bother me, but their application and delusion certainly does.

Kenny is right, religion is the problem and so can't be the part of the solution. You don't stop a leak by pouring more water into it, you use something that is the opposite to water.

Theres never been peace since the inception of monotheism, so its logical to assume that if it were removed, we may find the peace we seek. I wouldn't hold my breath though. Its interesting to note, that of all the billions of people that have died fighting in the name of god, mostly against others fighting in the name of god, god never saved one. It seems that the only salvation from the belief in god, comes in the form of death.

Many have evolved beyond ideologies, the answer lies in that evolution.

john J
"why is it that every thread on this forum inevitably deteriorates into an anti-Muslim rant? "

Of course islam is going to come up in a string about would peace...the current world problems lead always to a talk on islam, hadn't you noticed 9/11 Spain Bali, London Cartoon psychosis or Iran wanting isreal wiped of the face of the Earth and all the bits of islamic warfare social and violent inbetween?

They are the current problem along with the moonbats that think they can make friends with islam on PC terms.

Don't you hope modern civilisation wins this current round of war.