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By Dave Smith, published 9/3/2006Do the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed really constitute free speech?
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Posted by Belly, Friday, 10 March 2006 6:16:49 AM
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Nayeefa and those sympathetic to clamping down on such cartoons......
Did you notice that Kekenidika described 'Christians' as 'moronic' :) ? (p.s. kk that cartoon was a hoot :) Arjay also throws the odd shovel of mud on us, and how do we respond ? Well.. to me its like water off a ducks back, not that I don't care.. quite the reverse, I do care.. as Jeremy pointed out (but used one critical word incrrectly) "There are non so blind as those who WILL not see" (as opposed to 'cannot' see)... As far as I'm concerned, the criticism and lampooning and mud slinging on Christians is sometimes quite deserved, and lampooning of Jesus is quite rare I find, because there is little in the source material to run with. -He lived for others not himself. -He gave His life on our behalf, for our salvation. -He spoke repeatedly about the Heavenly Father seeking lost sheep. -He healed the sick, and gave sight to the blind. -He cast out demons. -He calmed the storms and wind. -He offered a standard of righteousness that apart from Gods indwelling presence none of us can achieve. So when you think about it.. not much to use for 'lampooning' without a sense of guilt I'd say. -He did not... surround himself with women and indulge his sexual desires with them. -He did not accumulate power and riches. -He did not invade any country, kill any mocker or hunt down any insulter. -The one occasion where a disciple (Peter) attacked an arresting officer, he healed the wound immediately. -He did not repay evil for evil. So..whats to lampoon and laugh about ? not a whole lot. Those who choose to riducle Jesus will hear all their words replayed syllable by syllable again one day, in His presence if they leave this life unchanged.. we Christians do not have any part in 'enforcing' "Jesus friendly" behavior in that sense. Our job is to proclaim Christ, Savior and Judge, Forgiver and Renewer, as The Way whereby mankind can be reconciled to the Creator. Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 10 March 2006 8:19:55 AM
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DESPERADOS,
When a Rat is cornered ... it is unpredictably defensive and dangerous. Islam - post 9/11 - is in such predicament. They are cornered, with the free world spot lights pinpointing at them. What the world is seeing and learning about this evil cult is "Ugly". Jesus conquered Satan (death) by dying on the cross and resurrecting Himself. Jesus gives New Life - His Church (His disciples) on earth are His witnesses until His return. Jesus will judge those who did not accept Him as their personal Saviour and Lord of their life - “the non-believers” like: Muslims, Pagans, Idolaters, etc... all who got caught by Satan's earthly Scams and Religious Bondage. Jesus never promised Peace on earth - the worst is yet to come he said. That END day is approaching. No one knows the date or the time (purposely if not freedom of choice will be jeopardized). Satan knows that too and is most active especially in the False Religions Sectors. Posted by coach, Friday, 10 March 2006 10:52:44 AM
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Boaz David I'm not throwing mud at you.I respect anyones beliefs so long as they respect mine.I don't care what God people want to believe in since I don't profess to know the answers either.I am suspicious of those who do however,since to know all the answers, simply removes the purpose of living.
I've been through the religious bit,I've seen nuns whip boys all over their bodies with canes,yes even across the face.There were both cruel nuns and gentle and loving ones.I've seen what religion can do to priests,seen a few go to the lunatic asylum,some get married and some commit suicide.The Muslim Religion is about where the Catholic Church was about 500 yrs ago and that is why I bag it so much. If religions weren't so cruel in the past,maybe the pendulum wouldn't have swung so far and we would have a more ethical and disciplined society today. Posted by Arjay, Friday, 10 March 2006 6:56:58 PM
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First of all the guy's name is Mohammad. Not "prophet." He is not my prophet, for sure.
This is not just about free speech. And this is also not only about "what is acceptable" in humour, speech and daily life. This is about a group of people who want to impose their beliefs on us and even enslave us. This is about whether murder, torture and oppression is acceptable or not. This is also about a man that did some of the most disgustiong and vile things imaginable. Quote from http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec1.htm. Know that all who curse Muhammad... or blame him or attribute imperfection to him in his person, his lineage, his deen or any of his qualities, or alludes to that or its like by any means whatsoever, whether in the form of a curse or contempt or belittling him or detracting from him or finding fault with him or maligning him, the judgement regarding such a person is the same as the judgement against anyone who curses him. He is killed as we shall make clear. In past posts I have put references and links to sites that document cases of torture, slavery, rape, murder and even wife-beating by Mohammed. Islamic sites! May I add another: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/038.sat.html#038.4348 Read it carefully. Yet this man -- who sees nothing bad about splitting open a women who criticized him -- is the "great moral leader" and "role model" for Muslims everywhere. This is why things are getting worse. This is why moderate Muslims are either deceiving themselves or lying to you. This is why hate, rape, crime and murder will continue and increase. You cannot love and respect Muhammad and be peaceful and tolerant. Have you ever met a Muslim that didn't love Mohammed? Do they really know what he did? Do they care? Think about it. Radical Muslims kill, moderates make excuses. How about it, FH? is this guy really a "Mercy for all mankind"? You other Muslims here - was Mohammed a good person? Should we respect him? John Kactuz aka Kactuzkid Posted by kactuz, Sunday, 12 March 2006 8:06:30 AM
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The Danish Cartoons and faithfreedom.org
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/Rajesh60305.htm http://www.faithfreedom.org/ Quote: "If a few mild cartoons can make Muslims so angry, Sina's web-site deserves an atom bomb. But why is the Muslim world so uncharacteristically silent? Faithfreedom.org is read by more people than those cartoons were originally seen in Denmak." Posted by GZ Tan, Sunday, 12 March 2006 8:25:37 AM
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Those signs held by the protestors inviteing murder and hate carry far more weight than your post.