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Just how Aussie do we have to be? : Comments

By Salam Zreika, published 7/3/2006

Let's move past common stereotypes of Muslims.

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Fellow human, true that drinking grog causes trouble in Oz but at least ,so ,far, we have been spared the decapitations and indiscriminate bombings that have been so rife in the other countries.
I watched "Insight" last night and the subject,once again, was the problem of Muslims versus Australia.
The audience was thick with aggressive, chip on the shoulder Muslims including the author of the above piece. Also there were a couple of intimidated young Aussies, obviously nervous about speaking out. A couple of bemused cartoonists who could not seem to understand why muslims have no sense of humour.
There was one extremely belligerant Palestinian woman who would do well in a straight jacket.
And I asked myself why these people wanted to leave their homelands where everything was run to suit their religion and come here to a country that was totally opposite to their ideas.
All that has happened is that there is a lot of disgruntled, malcontented Muslims and a hell of a lot of totally fed up Australians. It should not be that way because no one is satisfied.
Posted by mickijo, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:51:13 PM
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Am I the only person who is getting fed-up with the "holier-than-thou" self-righteousness opinions out there? All the talk about Islam being a war-like violent religion should remember this -
What do two World Wars, the use of nuclear weapons, the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments, the killing 6 million Jews, 8000 Muslim men and boys and the 800,00 killed in Rwanda all have in common?
All done between, on behalf of, or by Christians.

The shape of the world map is the way it is because, while Muslims for the most part, stayed at home reading books, their Christian counterparts were out conquering the world for Jesus.

Another type of hypocrisy involves the blurring of religion and culture when it comes to clothing and the oppression of women. The wearing of hijabs and such is more related to culture than religion. The ex-Prime Minister of Indonesia was a woman and I never once saw her in a hijab. Some oppression! Religion and culture are trying to justify each other by using each other as an excuse. It's the same all over the world and in every culture.

I could just as easily say that Chrsitians were black hats, coats without buttons and ride around in sulkies because that's how the Amish dress and the Amish are Christians.
Better still, extemist Christians wear white hoods and gowns because the KKK are a Christian organisation and justify their actions on Biblical passages.

I'm less afraid of extremists than I am about who it is that's deliberately trying to drive a wedge between law-abiding citizens along religious lines and for what purpose.
I saw similar stuff growing up here as a "wog" in the sixties. My parents saw it in Europe before the War but not as all-pervading and misleading. There is a degree of organisation at work here and not just prejudice and hatred.

People should be aware when somebody is "yanking their chain" - and on both sides.
Whose agenda are we following and why?
Posted by wobbles, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 1:18:21 PM
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Every religion on the planet has had it’s history written in blood, Mr Wobbles. But today, all the non Muslim religions in the world get on OK with each other. But Islam has a problem with every other religion.

The shape of the world today is because of many factors. Europe today would be yet another backward Muslim cesspit holding out the begging bowl, if a French King had not defeated the Muslims in France, and the Iranians had not been such a thorn in the side of the Ottomans when they attacked Austria. The reason why Islam prospered was because of it’s geographical position at the centre of three continents. It sat on all the trading routes between the continents, and it became so prosperous and arrogant because of that, that it demanded that the rest of the world come to them to do business. Muslims would not even allow diplomats to live in non Muslim nations. They were so disinterested in the outside world that the very first book about the USA did not appear in Islamic bookstores until 1860. Once the sea route around the cape was established, Islam’s decay accelerated.

If I immigrated to Greece and walked about with board shorts and rubber thongs, and doing everything I could to display my allegiance to my former kinship group, I would not expect the Greeks to accept me as a Greek. What people wear is important. Would you let your daughter go out with a man wearing a swastika armband?

The Amish keep pretty much to themselves and are not noted for suicide bombings. Nobody has a problem with the Amish because they are productive and law abiding. Them KKK are not noted for beheading journalists or flying airliners into buildings.

I do not know from which country you come from, but I will bet that your own people today are just as angry as Australians are about the increasing waves of immigrants barging into their own lands. I guarantee that your own people have racist names for unwanted foreigners too. Right?
Posted by redneck, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 4:43:59 PM
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Fide Mae,

Thanks for your patience.
Muslims are not allowed to call for invasion of other nations (whether Muslims or non-Muslims) since the Quran rejects transgression. Muslims can fight other Muslim nations who transgresses (like the first gulf war scenario when all Muslim nations fought Iraq).A Muslim leader as you claim ordering the invasion or aggression on another nation cannot be obeyed and would be immediately discredited for conflicting with the Quran. If God tells us ‘shall not transgress’ it means no mere mortal can break this law.

If Australia is being attacked by another country (Muslim or non-Muslim) I will defend it. Clear and simple and I don’t think any Australian Muslim is confused about that.

Your financial question is about wealth creation from borrowed capital versus re-investing your own savings. As a Muslim I chose the later because its safer and inline with what I practise. As mentioned above, If you claim that Australia is secular and should not have any religious factor in its legal system is an acceptable point of view.

Dawood,

Good posting and agree with your view on both.

Reality Check,

The Quran states there is no compulsion in religion and that faith is a matter of choice.
The death penalty is substantiated only by hadith in Shiite and wahhabi references and is in direct conflict with the Quran and the prophet and caliphates behaviour. Even when I examined early precedents during and post the time of the prophet, the apostate’s wars were waged on those who stopped paying the poor dues (ie today’s equivalent of tax evasion) not because they changed their religion. Except for a couple of countries, apostate penalty is not enforced.

GZ Tan,

“Islam has no room for common sense”

Huh? Now this is comic books material. There are no supernatural miracles in Islam and the Quran is the only scripture I am aware of that every few verses ask people to think and/ or reason.
Islam for us is about common sense.

Wobbles,

A sensible comment thanks. OLO sometimes looks like the KKK and the Christian Taliban school reunion.
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 4:53:20 PM
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-DENMARK; Something rotten in Denmark? How about the 200,000 Muslim immigrants trying to dictate their anti-Israel, anti-America and anti-Western values upon 5 million Danes? Even though they represent only 4% of the population, the Muslims consume upwards of 40 percent of welfare spending. They also account for 65-75% of the country's convicted rapists... with almost all victims non-Muslim Danes! Demographers have predicted that in just 40 years, one out of every three Danes will be Muslim. At this point, we're sure the Danes wish it were their Jewish population which was growing faster than rabbits on a hot tin roof. Jews are almost always model citizens! But the Danish Jews only number 6,000.

-ITALY; 95% of all rapists are Muslims. Eighty-five percent of all murderers are Muslims. Ah, such a wonderful religion of peace! What does the Pope and the rest of the Vatican Church have to say about this? Nothing! And what will the ordinary Italian say when, in ten years, Muslims will be the majority in Italy!!

-HOLLAND; The Muslims now number about 15% of the population. In 20 years' time the majority of Holland's under 18 year old children will be Muslim. In fact, 50 per cent of the newborns during the next twenty years will be Muslim! In Amsterdam, the most popular name for a newborn boy is Mohammed, and a majority of residents will be Muslim within 10 to 15 years. Muslims collect 40% of all welfare.

http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=16374
Posted by Thor, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 5:39:50 PM
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-FRANCE; Muslims are already 25% of all French under the age of 21. In twenty years, one out of every five Frenchmen will be a Muslim! And if the French-Muslim birth rate continues as projected, France will have a Muslim majority in less than 25 years! Another telling statistic is that although the Muslims are 10% of France's population, 70 percent of a total of 60,775 prisoners in France are Muslims! All of France's urban suburbs are being roamed by Muslim black African or Arabic gangs. One-fifth of all births in France are Muslims! Mohammed is one of the most common names next to Pierre! And Paris has the largest Arab community outside of the Middle East! This is a result of a lenient immigration policy, high Muslim birthrate and conversions. A very high proportion of French Muslims are in the underclass, that segment of the population that relies not so much on education and work as on welfare and predatory activities. In fact, over one thousand Muslim neighborhoods are under monitoring throughout France. Seven hundred of those Muslim neighborhoods are listed as "violent" and nearly 400 hundred are listed as "very violent." Violence ranges from rape (95% of rapists are Muslim), murder (85% of murderers are Muslim), theft and looting of cars (58% committed by Muslims) and street fighting to assault on teachers and civil servants. Periodic outbursts of large-scale unrest or rioting sometimes occur. And, most distressing, are the high numbers of assaults or rebellions against the police. As does England, one thousand mosques are said to operate in France.
Posted by Thor, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 5:40:50 PM
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