Mr Bashir Goth

Thank you very much for your balanced, open, and honest article with regard to the behaviour of Muslim people, including so-called moderates.

Mr Goth - you are a "gutsy" man. Good on you.

This is the first time that I have ever read an article from an Islam follower who has the guts to question the ever silent and/or "marshmellow" moderates who, in the media (especially TV and radio), sound as if they have been programmed (as in rote learning) to talk over and not listen to the interviewer.

Keysar Trad is a good example. He never answers a closed question, vis a vis: yes or no. He has done the "side shuffle" in every interview that I have ever heard - and I have heard most. He must be an embarrassment to your cause.

I wish you well Mr Goth.

To sajo, Coyote, and redneck: great posts fellas.

Cheers
Kay

PS: coach and BOAZ_David

Why can't you blokes open your minds just a little? Both of you are always calling for a Muslim moderate to speak out against some Islamic practices. Mr Goth has done that. Even so, both of you still had to stick the knife in - just a bit.

Could either of you question Christian fundamentalism with the same openness and honesty as Bashir Goth has done?

The problem for us is that Bashir Goth is in a very small minority.Just listen to the lunatics like Keyser Trad railing against the sensible and logical observations of Peter Costello as being racist and unreasonable.

Well the general Muslim population have demonstrated far more ignorance,hate and racism than even conceived by a few pathetic rebels at Cronulla.I was at Cronulla last weekend and the tension is palpable.Just talk to the locals and listen to the real stories.The media spin,selective reporting and lies did not help racial harmony.

The chickens of weak and ill planned immigration policy have come home to roost,and even many on the left side of politics are running scared.

I've only just got around to reading the article and I was thrilled. The voice of what I hope is the majority of western muslims.

redneck, thank you for your honest response to this.

coach, BD, merideth
you must be gnashing your teeth at this article as it show the face of Islam that you don't want seen. Keep up your attacks on articles like this, your words make your hatred all the more obvious to those who do care about this country.

R0bert

If you want to see sick minds at work, if you think Islam is not aided and abetted by the Psychopathic madness of Lunatic Leftoids and their ridicules twilight zone brains at work. (Spinoza)
Then you will probably not read this link; Or you do understand the sickness.
It is not Isolated to one country.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060223/wl_nm/crime_religion_germany_dc_2

Bashir, that was heart felt and seemingly in some way struggling to be a voice of reason.

Because some of us have no belief in any sort of god I often get a bit curious when I look into or listen to believers from Christianity or Judaism or Islam or Hinduism or Buddhism, etc. So in the name of tolerance just what does an atheist do?

Well from my experience being outside of these religious playpens it all seem just a bit odd to say the least. However to a person who has never left such a playpen the concept of the real world must be terrifying. Take away the religious playpen and what are you left with? A child without a teddy? Is all the fuss down to the fact that religion is fashion that functions like some mind virus? Just seems atheism is forever the same concept.

However back to my curiosity. Bashir, when you say .... "....... have lost their intellectual fortitude.", I am curious. We mostly all understand that Islam's early successes produced great mathematicians, scientists, scholars, physicians and astronomers etc. However, half way on, it is my understanding that new interpreters of Islam appeared and that we see a teaching that the acquisition of knowledge by Muslims meant only the study of Islamic theology where the study of science, medicine etc. was discouraged. Does this suggest some intellectual regression? ..... Does this help to explain how Muslims missed the Industrial Revolution, were seen to be weak people and were carved up by England and France?

Bashir you make sense with private ideas such as .... "....... it is our house that we have to put in order." This also applies to Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism, etc. If people wish to believe in magic, miracles and fairytales then keep it private, voluntary, out of school education, out of government. It is a belief system not a control system.

Of course we can ask many questions but in the process only humanity can win the day.

Mate

When are you migrating to Australia? You'd add to the place, just as many other migrants have over the last 50 years.

Admire your clear thinking and your guts.