Martin Ibn Warriq,
Totally agree with your views; well expressed. Who we are in private is truly our real selves, and it will manifest itself in our personal effectivness in community.

The selfish decision of the 45 Senators, particularly the 24 female Senators, who voted for the RU486 "death pill"; Bill is an indication of their pre-selection lobbying.

"RU486 has no other purpose than to kill the unborn baby in the womb. It is not a healing pill.

"The RU486 'death pill' is also described in the media as the 'abortion pill' yet now female Senators claimed the Bill had nothing to do with abortion.

"Finally, the often reported statement 'anyhow abortion is legal in Australia' is not true for NSW.

"What is legal or not legal - is decided by Parliament, not by the unelected Judges.

"The NSW Crimes Act still makes it illegal to perform an abortion but the Judges will not convict the abortionists.

Crimes Act 1900 No. 40 Quote: "Administering drugs etc to woman with intent. Whosoever:
unlawfully administers to, or causes to be taken by, any woman, whether with child or not, any drug or noxious thing, or unlawfully uses any instrument or other means, with intent in any such case to procure her miscarriage, shall be liable to imprisonment for ten years.

Quote 84 Procuring drugs etc
" Whosoever unlawfully supplies or procures any drug or noxious thing, or any instrument or thing whatsoever, knowing that the same is intended to be unlawfully used with intent to procure the miscarriage of any woman, whether with child or not, shall be liable of imprisonment for five years". Unquote. !

"Drugs that kill the unborn child, no matter! at what development of the unborn, cannot be described as 'THERAPEUTIC' as therapeutic means 'CURATIVE, of the art of healing'.

"Once upon a time the decadent sexual behaviour allowed today would be called shameful. It ought to be called that again"

Well Martin, you are free to think of England or chew an apple in the process :)

Fact is that sex is normal and natural and actually quite healthy.
Some religions tried to distort that view, but nature prevails.

There is no objective morality, its all subjective.

The same hormones which affect behaviour to make sheep do it, goats do it, chimps do it, bonbobos do it etc, make the Martins of this world and even priests do it !

Don't forget that even bonobos do it in the so called "missionary position", so perhaps thats where the missionaries learnt all about
it :)

Yabby

I know this is off topic, but you sparked my curiosity. Why is it called the "missionary position"? Wo first posed the label and why?

Cheers
Kay

PS: I'm not pulling your leg - have never really thought about it!

Hi Kay,

ROFL, the questions we get on OLO :)

I gather that when missionaries went out to try and convert various tribes, these people, uninhibited by any church or Queen Victoria
etc, were into all kinds of fun sex, without too many inhibitions.

The Christian Church has a major problem with sex anyhow, as we can even see on this forum. So the missionaries tried to convince the locals that if they were going to do these evil things, at least do them in the least evil way, ie. the missionary position.

Thats the story AFAIK.

Ah Pericles, how little you seem to understand. I am well aware of a conscience vote. I am also aware how this is one the VERY few times that labor has allowed it's members this option.

ANY vote in parliment can either have the individual votes recorded if someone calls for it. That this was a conscience vote would seem to indicate that the issue was a contentious moral issue. As such, I would think our elected representatives SHOULD be accountable for how they voted. It was cowardice not to stand up and be counted and held accountable. I applaud the one parlimentarian who asked that his vote be recorded.

If, as you say, a sizable majority do agree with the government on this, then they would have no reason to be afraid of being held accountable on this decision. So, even if I accept your statement, they should have been happy to record the vote.