Mother Teresa lived amongst the poorest of the poor…what do you suggest she did with ‘all that money’ you fantasise about at Alice’s tea parties? Maybe she bought shares or gold bars to take to Heaven with her. It’s my guess however many millions were raised, the cost of feeding the millions was greater…duh?

I’d rather she held the purse strings on my donations than you Yabby…rolling the whales over isn’t my idea of gainful employment…

No doubt she’s asking God to forgive you Yabby…I’ll follow her example on that one too…

Let’s take two from the list you admire, Yabby…Fiona Woods (6 children), Fred Hollows (5 children), both were born into religious and devoted families who instilled a desire to take care of those around them and value Christian principles. Fred Hollow’s wanted to do missionary work, then decided to be a doctor, working voluntarily amongst aboriginal children and all those African people that you’ve such a problem with, Yabby…right until his death.

His motto: “I believe that the greatest attribute of mankind is to look after each other.”

Neither believes-d that individual human life was ‘insignificant’ or worthless or that unborn babies aren’t human…each made the choice to devote their lives to their fellow human beings based on their own Christian upbringing.

Anyone who knew Fred Hollows would lol at the thought of what he’d say to your comments on line…ROFL

You’ve nothing in common with these people Yabby…as they obviously love-d children…had large families of their own…and love-d to work amongst people.

‘You also misunderstand the emotion of love. Love is an emotion based on how somebody or something makes YOU feel’

ROFL…any wonder your ‘US-friend’ took the first flight out…it’s only about YOU, Yabby? That’s not LOVE…a-picture-in-a-magazine can make some people feel ‘something’…LUST! You seriously aren’t suggesting that your ‘relationship-history’ qualifies you as an expert-on-LOVE? ROFL…LOL. :)))))

LOVE is all about wanting to be with, share with, care for, look outwards in the same direction…not get-what-you-can-out-of-one-another-and-then-jump-ship.

(tbc…)

(Cont…)

Relationships work when things that matter are given consideration by both partners, when you’re where you want to be because you’re there together –happy…complementing one-another…you’re in LOVE. Then the passion doesn’t die, Yabby…it grows stronger-and-deeper.

Yabby ‘was an obsessive religious fanatic who was happiest living’…his ‘obsession. Obsessives are happiest doing exactly that.’

Yabby, once again you describe yourself, indicating your dislike and disapproval of all you are…I feel very sorry for you. You anxiously dictate what you WANT as the ‘norm’…anxiously wanting to ‘fit’ but not wanting to make the effort to see life as it is. The rest of the world should conform to your dictates, the world owes you…doesn’t it Yabby? It’s all about Yabby…

RE: Fred Hollows and Fiona Wood…you see intrinsic good in them…you want to be admired like them, but fail to see they’re the very epitome of all you rail against and reject in behavioural characteristics.

You seem to think that fame or notoriety equates with happiness or fulfillment…you really don’t understand life at all, much less happiness…

You truly are more to be pitied than despised Yabby.

Scout you’ll have to decide the fate of your embryos, I wish you and them the very best. The Catholic Church has a position on the issue but you and Yabby have indicated your position on anything Catholic, so why ask Catholics?

Scout, I hope your search for peace on the issue brings you to the answers you are really seeking.

Seeker, don’t you mean epitaph?

Yabby, unless you’re ‘right over the cliff of decency and any kind of morality’ you’d be outraged at the rape…why aren’t you?

I’m praying for the safe rescue of the two miners and the families of all three…it’s you who should be ashamed, judging individual life as ‘insignificant’ and worthless…forcing your lack of decency on those of us who’d rather aim higher…

Do you consider ‘the tragedy of the Tasmanian miners’ is in rescuing them? Are the lives of two men trapped underground as ‘insignificant’ to you as ‘only’ two USwomen victims of RU486? Are you so callous?

Meg you really are an expert on spin! First you distort what I have written, then you criticize what you have just invented. Good xtian values indeed :)

Those names were to show that people don’t need to be religious fanatics to do good for other people. Hollows was in fact a secular humanist, the sworn enemy of the Catholic Church. He learnt exactly what I learnt, he had been hoodwinked in his youth by religion.

Religion tries to take credit for anyone who ever did any good.
Well in that case take credit for Hitler too, he was a Catholic. Picking
and choosing your credits is nothing more then spin, as we know that
altruism is grounded in biology, good people exist all over the world, without input from religion.

There is a huge difference between caring about people, which most
Australians do, and going off on ideological rants about the evils of
condoms, birth control, abortion and other human rights. On that score most Australians agree with me . You are in fact seen as
a religious extremist, representing a fanatical but insignificant %
of the population. Even most Catholics disagree with you.

Of course charities should be accountable for donated funds, especially religious ones!. If people give money for spending on hospitals etc, they want to know it was spent for that, not diverted for other causes, such as paying out multi million $ lawsuits for pedophile priests, to finance the vast Catholic spin machine, or to
finance the pomp and splendor of Rome. Nobody knows where the
Mother Theresa money went, but there are claims that substantial amounts were diverted to causes other then helping the poor.

Love is pretty well understood by science. As neuroscience is a hobby of mine, I take an interest in the latest findings. Clearly you delude yourself as to what is happening in your own mind, as many
Christians do. To give you a hint, women can sniff sweaty t shirts
to figure out who they are really attracted to :) Chemistry matters.

Indeed Meg1 – it was our common epitaph representing the 30 or 40 percent who are annually terminated, which lead to my epiphany.

What a mountain of posts as usual!

Yabby,

“Let me give you the bad news however: nearly every religious person of every conceivable religion is just as convinced of their perceived certainty as you are. Clearly most or all religions are wrong, one or none are correct. So your chance of being in love with an illusion is extremely high!”

Another alternative belief system that all those people agree with even less is atheism. Does this make it likely to be an illusion?

“Te, your flawed perceptions of the world seem due to your inability to see it through others eyes, not just your limited view…You cannot imagine that people lead fulfilling lives without religion, yet they do!”

You make rationalisations for vilifying a group clearly not empathising in the slightest and definitely not seeing the world through others’ eyes but on this assertion alone you claim that she isn’t able to see things through others eyes.

Do you think that … Socrates … led empty lives?”

I thought that while Socrates rejected ancient Greek Gods he believed in a great and perfect God.

“Because you think that life is empty without religion does not make it so.”

Of course not but it is usually correct nevertheless. If (in the hypothetical) you interacted with people with an open mind while gaining life experience you would see it time and again. You would see so many people pursuing fast cars and more money but it doesn’t make them happy. A strong faith in contrast always leads to happiness. A reasonable conclusion is that life is empty without religion.

Yabby,

”Many of the Mafia were churchgoing Catholics remember.”

But were they really practicing Catholics? Seems that the “Do unto others” thing got a bit lost on them.

“ religion as a crutch to cope”

Don’t fear religion as a result of a cliché constraining your thinking. Religion is not about weakness. It is about love and fulfilment.

“Te, if I only believed in the value of my own life, I would not be here, arguing for the lives of women in the third world, demanding answers to the question as to why we should accept that the effects of Catholic dogma are killing them by the tens of thousands. I would be out playing golf or something.”

Of course you would. How can you enjoy your golf when you knew that you were preaching self centredness and death. Nonsense like this makes you feel better about what you do. Abortion is killing these women in the tens of thousands. The only reason that someone made up this nonsense is as a smoke screen to cover the fact that even framing the issue as “women should have more rights than foetuses” instead of “don’t kill babies” doesn’t work when we consider the tens of thousands of third world women being killed by the thing they condone – abortion. It is clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel blaming Catholics for abortions or claiming that Mother Teresa embezzled money. Some people use those arguments strategically. Either you actually believe in them or you are committed to spin. If you were sincere it would probably indicate a loneliness and emptiness and religion could help you. (Although I am concerned you might approach it like those Mafia.)

“Meg you really are an expert on spin!”

Come on now! No need to be so modest. She doesn’t try to blame Catholics for abortions.