Thankyou for your response Skippy.

I shall repeat myself: “the entire problem that I have seen with the posts of some of these threads is that people are prepared to judge entire communities or races on the actions of few. And that is all I have sought to dispute from the start. It is not logical to criticise an entire race because, quite simply, individuals differ, and should be judged as such”.

I am not denying that there have been racist actions by various gangs in Sydney and Australia, black or white. The point I have been attempting to make is that there shouldn’t be any tribes. It doesn’t matter who is to blame. It makes me equally sick to watch the footage of the ‘reprisal attacks’ as it does to see the cowardly buffoons chasing anyone who looks remotely middle eastern, whilst waving my nations flag. I see no distinction.

I assume you mean that any criticism of Salam is not justified by using your one-nation analogy. I would feel as deeply offended and disgusted at being heaped into the same basket as that Hanson bigot as would anyone in the Lebabnese community being lumped in with the cowardly gang-members.

Skip, I don’t think only I am fair minded. I just think it is unfair to judge people on the basis of someone else’s actions just because they look like them, live near them, or go to the same place of worship.

The answer is not to finger point, as plainly that will solve nothing. The answer is to work together. But the more people want to point fingers and yell insults, the more radical each side becomes, and thus, the problem manifests.

Rainier,
Neither of your quotes by Irfan are revelant to the cultural problems of Muslim males. Maybe, on his return Irfan will be willing to put forward his views on the matter.

I could take issue with you for labeling others as lunitics that hold views that you do not agree with and could chase your "strawman", re the extreme right wing, but that would be pointless.

I would much sooner use the energy more constructively by trying to deal with a current problem.

The problem is that many Muslim males seem unwilling or unable to co-exist or integrate with non-Muslims. How many is difficult to say, but it is far more than a few and not restricted only to the "Lebanese gangs" These Muslim males have attitudes that leave little doubt that they have no respect for others, our laws, our courts, our police or Australia in general. Women in western dress are frequently the targets for abuse and rudeness.

Could we agree that there is a problem involving many, or some, Muslim males and explore ways it can be resolved.

The ammount of evidence available indicates the problem is cultural and the question is what can be done?

I did suggest to Irfan a while back that he, Waleed Aly and other "Aussie Mossies" (his term) get together and try to come up with some ideas. Our politicians do not have the ansewers and nor do the Muslim "thick Shieks" (his term)

My suggestions are:- 1. To ensure accurate and sufficient information is given to prospective migrants regarding our society, laws and social standards.
2. That our pseudo-Multiculturalism be abandoned and integration promoted. (see my previous posts, this thread)

Blind Freddy can see there is a problem, so Rainier and other posters, what are your suggestions on ways to resolve this important issue.

dobbadan: Child labour and such practises are not a uniquely Muslim thing. Why even imply that they are? What about Latin America, China and elsewhere too?

As for the pork - What are the details of the exact situation? Dhimmiwatch and other random articles don’t suffice with accurate information. Which Muslim bodies were consulted about this? Which group of Muslims complained about the situation? How many are there in Port Headland anyway? Why not simply offer a halal alternative to those who need it, instead of taking it off the menu altogether? There is plenty of approved halal meat companies (something like 125 – even Woolworths and Coles supply halal meat when asked), and Australia has plenty of suppliers all over the country, plus distribution for those that need it.

It stinks of too much PC-nonsense without proper discussion or planning.

Why have the middle eastern nations inherited lots of sandy deserts?

Oil."yes",but good land ,"No".

Ishmaelites inheritance is sand .
So,escape to good old Australia. A land of milk and honey.
Right.
So,give thanks and stop whingeing or return to what you still call home.

Col, despite your usual dismissiveness, you appear to agree with me by declaring your dislike old drivers of assimilation (Eugenics etcetera)

But you don't say who should decide upon your process.

I do believe that the voice of a new generation of Australians in (which has experienced a different kind of world to any previous generation) in Australian history will not rely on the closed mindedness I have spoken of or that you chose to advocate cos ‘it isn’t broke’. Is this really the end result of your comprehensive analysis Col?

Banjo,
Your solution states:

1. To ensure accurate and sufficient information is given to prospective migrants regarding our society, laws and social standards.
2. That our pseudo-Multiculturalism be abandoned and integration promoted. (see my previous posts, this thread)

Fair enough, but I believe this is conducted as part of citizenship and naturalisation.

Too take your idea further how about civics education for all Australians. Not all who were attacking anyone with an ethnic appearance at Cronulla appeared to know or respect ‘our society, law or social standard. Or is this knowledge something one is naturally born with here and transcends class and ethnicity?

I respect ‘our society, know its laws and social standings, speak English better than most, but to many I’ll never be as Australian as white Australians. Why is this?

To me your suggestions are evidence of commonplace denial which spares you from acknowledging not just how bigotry works but also denies the reality of migrants and Others who attempt to fit into game of ‘Ozzie culture’ where the goal posts keep being moved (by mostly white Australians) and where the rules are made up on the spot. How long would you persevere in such a frustratingly stupid game? But lo and behold, you want me to put up solutions to how I and others can win this game?

What is the story with Aborigines and Islam? You get sports people dressing up like a Harlem pimp circa 1925. What happened to free thinking?

Thanks Salam for your opinion on when we should celebrate multiculturlism. That means a lot to me coming from someone like you. I really look up to you. You are my hero. Gotta go now got to go and read "the book'. Tar Tar. Take care.