All,

What j5o6hn said.

How could you believe the propaganda of Murdoch and his cronies? You clearly have no idea of just how close the ties are between the Rebublicans and the Fox News network. You also appear to be unaware that "Operation Iraqi Freedom" was the name given to the war by Fox News when It didn't look like any WMD would be found. But if you want to believe the lies of a govenment and a news corporation, that have so much to gain from the war, Then I fell sorry for you.

The more intelligent conservative posters of this forum would be politely ignoring your Faux News propaganda (while cringing).

The more liberal posters of this forum are laughing their heads off!

Iraqi Freedom?

Why would the US spend over $200 Billion to free a county of people when they have so many problems in their own country?

Don't you find it just a little co-incidental that, out of all the countries they could "liberate", it was the one with lots of oil?

Get your head out of the sand. What kind of a La La land do you live in?

BOAZ,

So basically you condone the world's most powerful leaders lying to the world on such a grand scale and blowing over $236 Billion on a war for profits when that money could have:

- Fully funded global anti-hunger efforts for 9 years;
- Ensured that every child in the world was given basic immunizations for 78 years;
- Fully funded world-wide AIDS programs for 23 years.

The list goes on and on... See http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

I don't know who this God is that you claim to worship but it cirtainly isn't the God I was tought about.

The God I was tought about would detest the actions of the Bush administration. Electoral fraud, nepotism, cronyism, doing absolutely NOTHING for America's poorest 99% of the population and sacrificing their own soldiers for the profits of some of the world's largest corporations...just to name a few.

Yet you conservatives conveniently seem to forget all this.

Regarding the Alliance between radical Islam and the "LEFT" bear in mind that on Feb 9th DEAN MIGHELL of the Electrical Trade Union will be co-speaker at a 'RALLY AGAINST RACISM' in the Brunswick town hall (Melbourne) It seems the brother of one of the accused terror detainees Abdullah Merhi is a shop steward in the ETU and Mighell is a very left operative.

Only the naive and gullable would believe this rally is about 'racism' and the astute and wise will quickly recognize that it is just a means of establishing greater solidarity between the Leftist Union and Arab Australians.

The important question is....WHY ? I invite ASIO to consider this question very seriously.

I'm intrigued by the tenacity of those on the left side of politics in their zeal to condemn 'The Great Satan' of the USA, when in fact they are condemning every country of every time which ever lived -in doing so.

One would think that after all this time, the romantic idealists of the LEFT would have realized that there will never be a socialist Utopia. Perhaps they have faith in their manipulation of the UN.. well most sovereign states who have their brains switched on are treating the UN with the contempt it deserves. (BECAUSE of attempts to manipulate it in the interests of a specific political direction)

Instead of comdemning the war in Iraq, they would be better to vent their spleens in other more achievable directions, like

-destroying Political Correctness, (and focusing on common courtesy)
-Totally reviewing and replacing "Multi Culturalism" with 'A Diverse Culture'.
-Revamping our History education, and
-focusing on the idea of Australian cultural identity.
-Removing debilitating handbooks requiring our emergency services to take each 'customers' religion into account when dealing with them.
-Reviewing Immigration requirements and ensuring would be migrants KNOW our culture b4 coming.

BOAZ,

"I'm intrigued by the tenacity of those on the left side of politics in their zeal to condemn 'The Great Satan' of the USA, when in fact they are condemning every country of every time which ever lived -in doing so."

Not quite. Other countries don't have the wealth or power to inflame international terrorism (for their own selfish, pocket-lining reasons) on the scale that America has.

"One would think that after all this time, the romantic idealists of the LEFT would have realized that there will never be a socialist Utopia."

You are talking about only a VERY small (and loopy) fraction of the Left. That's like me saying "Surely The Right have realised that facism doesn't work." I could argue that Conservatives should have realised by now that war doesn't solve much and there will never be a world-wide Christian Democratic Utopia.

"Instead of comdemning the war in Iraq, they would be better to vent their spleens in other more achievable directions, like

-destroying Political Correctness, (and focusing on common courtesy)
-Totally reviewing and replacing "Multi Culturalism" with 'A Diverse Culture'.
-Revamping our History education, and
-focusing on the idea of Australian cultural identity.
etc, etc..."

Because the war in Iraq is the result of a much more frightening, large-scale (Global) problem - A rougue administration lead by neo-conservatives and right-wing extremists who, instead of running the worlds most powerful country, are using it's wealth and military strength for personal gain. Meanwhile their own country is riddled with communities of people living below the poverty line with and when an entire city is destroyed by a hurricane, their own citizens are given less attention then the Iraqis. Yes, Jesus would be proud of Bush. Especially since it was God who told Bush to do all this (or so he claims).

But as for your list of acheivable directions - all good ideas. Anyone who would disagree with this is a "Lefty", they're an idiot.

You clearly have a very sensitive inbuilt social justice detector Mr Man. Do I need to even quote the facts in Islamic countries? Before you post again Mr Man make a detailed study of what goes on inside their borders before you make a show of your outrage against ‘the great Satan’

Truth is a dedication to reality. One doesn’t have to appeal to secret aims and US conspiracies to understand global geo politics. The political goals of Islam are plain for anyone to read in the Quran and accompanying Sunnahs. Muslims are just doing what pious ppl do. Whats the big deal?

I’ve said elsewhere the US can do it better but its not helping things to demonise.

Inflame international terrorism? Terrorism is a religiously sanctioned maneuver in Islam. Good Muslims who are dedicated to living out their scriptures will take to it like a duck to water.

In the left’s dismissal of religion, in their moral vacuity they work from premises that are maddeningly unreal. What do I mean? How arrogant is it to not even bother to understand the religion of the people they say are being so cruelly colonized by the US. They don’t care about Muslims, if they did they would wonder about Islam, all they care about is the seeming rightness of their own feelings.

The philosophical ground of many lefties is bankrupt. They can’t see any reason, any transcendent reason why we ought to live. The universe has no meaning, truth is relative, morality is a construct, marriage is a malleable social contract or whatever. Islam sees this and is encouraged. Ours is a septic culture where these things rule, as it does in Europe which can’t be bothered to continue existing.

'Why Europe chooses extinction'
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/front_page/ED08Aa01.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FL07Aa01.html

Instead of this sick anti Americanism and sanctimonious critique of their global politics how about understanding a little bit of Islam, if we care so much about Muslims. The motivations of an entire region might be illuminated. Or try and understand evangelical Texans (who in large numbers do missionary work around the world).

The two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were the nerve agent "VX" and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used so effectively in World War I."
Russian Chemical Weapons in Iraq
Iraq did most of its WMD killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on Iranian troops and Iraqi Kurds.
Iraq obtained Russian delivery systems and the same inventory of Russian-made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter attack jets were armed with Warsaw Pact-designed bombs filled with chemical weapons. Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on Iranian troops during the Iran-Iraq war.
Iraq tried to use these SU-22 jets during the 1991 Gulf War, but they were detected and destroyed on the ground before they could launch a deadly chemical attack.
Other Russian weapons found with chemical weapons include the FROG-7 missile, 122 mm rockets, 152 mm artillery and the M-1937 82 mm mortars. All the Iraqi artillery missiles, rockets, shells and mortar rounds filled with chemical weapons are of Russian design.
Iraqi forces were trained by Russians in the use of chemical weapons and equipped by Russia with anti-chemical suits. The Iraqi armed forces were trained, equipped and supplied with the proper logistics to perform chemical warfare by Russia.

There is a lot more, but by the looks of it, some are having spasmodic psychotic moment and can not handle it.
It is more frightening to realize there are people with such vivid Imaginations, and display in the open such pathological hatred of the very society they live. That is not good.

I always hear this Iraq war for oil crap. Would it have been easier to make a deal with Saddam, lift the embargos and get oil flowing again. Cheaper, no 2000 US dead.

With approx 100 billion barrels of reserves and price at $20/barrel (pre war) that is only 200 billion dollars. Something says to me a war is risky just for the oil?? especially if it was going to cost a fair portion of that oil production?

Again if oil was the driver why not just get Saddam "on side"?