Call me old fashioned but I am s-t-i-l-l waiting for those weapons of mass destruction, that could be directed at us within the space of 45 minutes [the official reason we went to war in the first place] to be found. If a politician tells me something is true, of such an important nature that it triggers a country to war, I expect that the statements of Bush/Howard/Blair were not lies. They must be correct or we not only would not have gone, but if they were proven false, surely all three leaders would resign, wouldn't they.......

Bushbred, I am still an admirer of your knowledgeable posts, not only in this thread, Steve Madden and others of a similar opinion make valid comments, in my opinion, if we are only in Iraq to fly the flag to show we support the USA and the UK, then our token force should be home.

This is only an exercise in supposed mateship, as was Vietnam, we have been extremely lucky so far that we have had no casualties, this position can't last forever, as the USA has found, which is why there is now an anti-war movement in the USA and UK. Can't conservative Governments finf other ways to improve the World Economy, as Bushbred speaks in another thread on the USA-FTA, ABOUT COMMUNIST CHINA, well worth reading, can I take this opportunity of telling Bushbred and others that North Queensland Sugar Farmers were not impressed, and are still angry, and with good reason....

Sorry Steve, You would be wrong on all counts.http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Russia Moved Iraqi WMD
Charles R. Smith
Thursday, March 3, 2005
Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon
According to a former top Bush administration official, Russian special forces teams moved weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq to Syria.
"I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war," stated John Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary for international technology security.
According to Shaw, Russian units hid Saddam's arsenal inside Syria and in Lebanon's Bekka valley.
"While in Iraq I uncovered detailed information that Spetsnatz units shredded records and moved all WMD and specified advanced munitions out of Iraq to Syria and Lebanon," stated Shaw during an exclusive interview.
"I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives. Moscow made a 2001 agreement with Saddam Hussein to clear up all Russian involvement in WMD systems in Iraq," stated Shaw.
Shaw's assertions match the information provided by U.S. military forces that satellite surveillance showed extensive large-vehicle traffic crossing the Syrian border prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Moscow Paranoid About WMD
Shaw's information also backs allegations by a wide variety of sources of Russia's direct involvement in Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. One U.N. bioterrorism expert announced that Russia has been Iraq's "main supplier of the materials and know-how to weaponize anthrax, botulism and smallpox."
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Robert Goldberg cited former U.N. weapons inspector Richard Spertzel, who stated that Moscow supplied Baghdad with fermentation equipment to produce biotoxins.
According to Spertzel, the Russians on the U.N. inspection team in Iraq were "paranoid" about his efforts to uncover smallpox production.

The primary Iraqi chemical weapons were VX nerve gas and mustard gas, a blistering agent, both obtained from Russia.
According to the book "Russian Military Power," published in 1982, "It is known that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents.
More bad news Tomorrow Ssteve, TBC. Part 1

Why the hell would you believe one word printed in The Weekly Standard, another one of that well know backer of the IRAQ war and GW Bush, Murdock, and as with all his publications you have no opinion but Murdocks, I dont know who ALL is but you have to be a complete fool to believe anything that comes out of Murdock and the FOX NEWS in the US, to which Kristol is a I assume a paid hack who spouts what his master tells him.

Coach,

Muslims will never answer a straight question from an infidel. Even their websites just tell you only what they want you to know about Islam. Islam is a little like Alcoholics Anonymous: they will never indulge in discussion because they don't have the answers, or there is no positive answer to your questions.

We shouldn't blame individual Muslims, including FH. They have been brainwashed (like many other non-Muslim religionists). It's very hard for people who have been brought up to believe that the Koran is acutally the word of God - not of men interpreting the 'word' as in the Bible. Muslims in Australia have the facility of being able to think for themselves, and it is only when the majority of them question the Koran and sort fact from fiction will any enlightment come.

There is hope. An easy read showing the individuality of Muslims in Austalia is "Islam in Australia" by Abdullah Saeed. There are also books written by Muslims who think Islam should be brought into the 21st Century.

If you can't get direct answers you have to look for yourself. Dont blame Muslims. Blame Islam.

Why are there 1 Squadron SASR troops currently in Iran?

Why does this obscene government persist in enticing impressionable, sometimes disillusioned, young men (and now the ladies can have a 'go' on the front line in the War on Terror as well) into their military farces -oops forces as prospective cannon fodder?

We see the 'entry requirements' lowered for officer level, the general physical pre-requisites reduced - for what?

For more blood & guts to be spilled in the name of a cronies international incorporated wank fest.

I agree Leigh.

Its unsurprising a Muslim is incapable of dealing in a straightforward way with the fearful evil contained in the Quran and Sunnah. It would be humiliating. Spengler explains why http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FD27Ak01.html

(Compare Christs ultimate humiliation on the Cross with Islam where political domination is proof of the faith)

Eg. al-Tabari d. 315 years after Mohammed quoted from Ibn Ishaq who wrote the only narrative of Mohammed's life available records Mohammed's admission that "I have fabricated things against Allah and have imputed to him words which he has not spoken". Also al-Tabari records "Satan cast a false revelation on the Messenger of God's tongue". Mohammed says he was demon possessed. I could go on and on. .

Why is al Tabari important? Quran says to listen and obey M's example, but Q contains barely anything about him. Also the 5 pillars of Islam come from Tabari and the other writers of the Sunnah not the Q)

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

I challenge all who wish to comment on Islamic issues, all who wish to publish articles to read the Q and Sunnah and then post.

This massive ignorance (me included until recently) is tragic.

According to the latest tape from Osama he’s trying to recruit left leaning westerners as a fifth column have a read!

http://jewishworldreview.com/0106/pipes2006_01_24.php3