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Pogrom talk : Comments

By Dirk Moses, published 11/1/2006

Dirk Moses argues the media commentary on the Cronulla riots has been disappointing and failed to offer any new perspectives.

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Part 2.

Now the real deal, the true blue, listen attentively, for what follows is fair dinkum from the heart…it is Australia talking…with special thanks to VGC.

‘…this is an important debate for the future of our counrty, and we owe it to our children to get it right, what's right ? to be honest I struggle to know what is right anymore because I find myself in a quandary, on the one hand I want the typical easy going Aussie that gives everybody a fair go, on the other hand the easy going nature is being tested by being continuedly being told that I'm racist, that my country is racist, that my culture is not worth a pinch of crap, and that I should be ashamed of being born a "white Australian", because we must have somehow been born with the racist gene !, well okay I think to myself lets be fair, how much ownership of these accusations do I take on board ?, but while I sit and try to be honest with my part in this, I find I can't even get out of the blocks in this thought process, because you cannot examine your own behaviour in a disagreement if you are the only side that's doing the examining, the way this is heading is more and more tolerant easy going Aussie's will treat this like a joke and will not even engage in debate because it is just too ridiculous for words, it's like listening to some fool like germaine greer lament how racist Australia is without doing some heavy hitting on some of the horrendous racsism,bigorty,child abuse and womans rights atrocities that go unchecked as "cultures" all around the world, go to town on these poeple and then I will start to listen otherwise you are just a fake and a coward !’

If your visit to Lebanon didn’t include at least fleeting visits to the Bekkar Valley or Southern Lebanon, by this collective voice, you’d be indicted as not just a fake and a coward but also an effete fake coward.
Posted by keith, Sunday, 15 January 2006 8:35:47 PM
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Dirk
thanx for the reminder to focus on specific parts of your article. It was not easy to locate the appropriate points to argue at first, because it is quite obviously the result of considerable research through various media stories. I’ll try to do better this time.

‘Media bias’ or ‘Anglo racism’ ? you seemed to suggest it was both. You asked me to explain the following:

<<Why “it” was targeted at all 'Leb' and 'Wog' looking people>>

What was ‘it’ ? “It” was a rally, aimed at peaceful protest over anti social behaviour by some elements of the Lebanese Muslim community (primarily). But ‘it’ was also infiltrated and hijacked by racist nationalist and neo nazi elements, so in the end ‘it’ was a was a many colored coat, not a simple monotone ‘pogrom’ by Anglos. The primary peaceful protest rally was organized by evangelical Christians.. (my mob) believe it or not.

Point taken about some reporting.. the media is in it for the ratings which translate into ‘advertising’ bucks... right.

Now what happened between the ‘goal’ and the ‘event’ ? Simple, groups with a vested political interest saw an opportunity to further their cause and ‘tacked’ themselves on, shifted the emphasis with the sms campaign, and hijacked it. Those most vocal, featured on the media, were not the Christian organizers. There is no racism “in Christ”. (refer “Race riots, Multiculturalism and the Gospel”)

So, to answer your question about why ‘all’ Lebs and Wogs were targeted, we need to know ‘by whom’ and your answer is in the above paragraph... the hijackers. Why indeed ‘wogs’.. ? I also ask. Well, it conveniently suits the racist fringe.

Constructive solutions ? (see my posts on Immigration, Settlement, Civics, Culture and socially positive discrimination) Teaching civics and cultural manners AND that there is a prevailing culture here which should be respected (one value being ‘fair go’).
P.S. my nick is due to undying admiration for the characters. (I’ll speak against Jew or Gentile as did the prophets, if their Jewishness or Gentileness is a factor in the ill treatment of others.)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 15 January 2006 8:58:12 PM
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Not a progrom. I do not think whites feel a majority in southern sydney anymore. Maybe more like aborigines, having to change their culture because many feel their culture is nothing of any importance so not worth protecting or respected.
Posted by Verdant, Sunday, 15 January 2006 9:30:33 PM
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Verdent

Aussies have gottten through worse than this, look at what our convict forfathers suffered and see our history ....all about getting up and on, and pride in what we built here in Oz.
Posted by meredith, Sunday, 15 January 2006 9:35:49 PM
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Dirk:
Swarming is a recognised military tactic.
Not having read the article I can't comment on the context Paul Sheehan had in mind. From Wikipedia at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarming_(Military)

"Swarming is a military strategy in which a military force attacks an enemy from several different directions and then regroups."

Anyway, this is largely irrelevant.

More interesting is what precisely your constructive contribution is?
Posted by Mr.P.Pig, Sunday, 15 January 2006 9:37:31 PM
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BD, your constructive post is appreciated. I will track down your contributions on other article-discussions.

Mr P. Pig, do you really think Sheehan understands the military definition of swarming? Or that the youths about which he writes do as well? Don't be so naive.

Keith, when are you going to write the critique you so grandly announced a few days ago? And can you do it by yourself, that is, without constantly referring to your trucky mates? Are they your Greeek chorus? The test of authentic Aussieness. Any 'wogs' or 'lebs' among them? Don't you have a mind of your own?

Which pub are you drinking at in West End? I'm from Brisbane, I know them.

No, Marie Bashir did not play footy. The Governor of NSW was professor of psychiatry at the University of Sydney. I doubt that her parents censored what she read as as uni student.

Above all, remember this: an argument is better than the 'We Aussies are victims of the PC-set in the unis, ABC and SBS' whinge that you proffer. For the hyper masculine character you pose yourself as, it's wimpy stuff. And get real, whites RUN this country. But remember, no-one on this thread has been accusing you, let alone all Australians, of vicious racism. Greg Barnes' stupid article is hardly typical. So where does your paranoia come from? Looks like wounded narcissism to me...

I myself am happy to be Australian, I cheer at the cricket and the rugby (have spent many hours at the 'Gabba, Ballymore, and Lang Park), but does nationality have to be the most important emotion in our lives?

And yes, I did visit those places in Lebanon. The Hizbollah flags with the AK47S were everywhere, along with flags depicting 'the martyrs'. Why don't you tell us about your trip there, mate? Display before us your courage -- at least the courage to advance an argument rather than a self-piyting rant -- before you accuse others of cowardice.
Posted by D. Moses, Monday, 16 January 2006 8:20:40 AM
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