I would like to say just read the rhetoric by a Muslim cleric in today's West Australia newspaper and see what he says about the UK now his home and what he says they (Muslims) are going to do in multicultural UK and the world.

Keith Co

read what Keysar trad the so called moderate muslim who is on our tellys all the time asking for tolerance has to say about Australia and islam.

From the pen of Keyser, Aussies friendly muslim spokesman:

"our ideology is the best salvation for the people of Australia, and the people of the world in general. Yes, we are a threat to the culture of drunkenness, paedophilia, and mostly we are a big threat to the culture of ELITISM."

"In a way, they feel safe because of the quantity of water which surrounds this country, so they feel fortified behind this great body, it gives them a feeling of security. But the reality is, the land belongs to God, not to them, and if those foreigners, whom they fear as migrants are not permitted to enter as migrants, they will come as settlers, in numbers so large that they will not be able to process them, hold them, or stop them. What will they do then? If these foreigners who are restraining themselves, because they see a legal hope, that they can come to this vast mainly uninhabited land for whatever reason, are told that there is no longer a legal way to come here, what will they do?"

Sounds like the answer to Keysers Question is Jihad on Australia.

Read the whole vile speech here and pass it on to people its importent to show Aussies what the so called moderates actully think of Australians and our Country

http://www.islam.org.au/articles/16/RACISM.HTM

LittleAgreeableBuddy, wrote:

“mention sodomy & sex outside marriage surely you don't naively suggest that those 2 examples don't have harmful consequences?”

LAB, these are moral and health issues, not issues of crime or law, and in the vast majority of circumstances in today’s society the main harmful consequences would be to person’s personal salvation. But the law cannot enter into the relationship between a person and God, otherwise it would be legislated that we would all have to go to church every Sunday, attend Bible studies and television, books and movies etc would be heavily censored. This is indeed the position that would be under an Islamic or Christian theocracy, both of which I would fight hard against.

Or are you saying that a married couple who both enjoy ‘sodomy’ or oral sex should be prohibited by law from that activity in the privacy of their own home? I am not saying that the practise should be encouraged, or even condoned, but what a couple, married or not, do, with informed consent, in private should be no concern of the law.

You then went on and wrote:

“Maybe you've also not encountered psychologically damaged children who, as adults, have little or no sense of identity?”

Thus implying that I am suggesting paedophilia should be legal. How you got this from what I wrote I do not know.

If you have read many of my posts on OLO you will come across an overall theme of ‘informed consent’, linked with the idea that anyone who has sex with an under aged person, should be punished, and that included pimply faced 16 year old boys who have sex with their 15 year old girlfriends, or vice versa.

Our present laws involve principles from only three of the ten Mosaic commandments: that is, no murder, no stealing, no false witness. Whilst I personally try to have all ten rule over my life I would not try to impose them on others. To do so would be as bad as Sharia law imposed on the population, or any segment of the population.

Hi Hamlet, Meredith, dobbadan, Keith & Leo

Pity we can only 'post' twice in 24-hours - 4 would be better. I couldn't 'post' until after 2pm today. I'll do a "bulk".

Leo (posted 6:12:16pm 14/1/06): Keith responded at 8:01:45pm. Meredith clarified the thinking - response 9:33:24pm. The www.islam.org.au website is very revealing. So are the utterances of Muslim clerics & 'spiritual' leaders like American Khalid YASIN & Melbourne's Mohammed OMRAN.
About the land (Canaan) given to Abraham (Gen 13:14; 15; 17) by God: Islam says 'rights' flowed to Ishmael, son of concubine, Hagar - not to Isaac, son of Sarah (according to Jews & Christians). Typically, the Qur'an isn't clear. Mention is in Sura 33:7 & 14:13, 14 & 36. The Ahadith sometimes helps interpretation. Of land generally: Muslims believe Allah owns it, &, therefore logic says non-Muslim don't have the same rights as a Muslim.

Keith (posted 8:01:45 pm 14/1/06): Thanks for your affirmation.

"dobbodan" (posted 9:20:10pm 14/1/06): I'm interested to read that material. Which newspaper?
You (& everyone else) might like to investigate: (1) http://www.mpac.org/ (2) http://www.archives2004.ghazali.net/html/ex-_cia_official.html - link "Anti-Muslim Smears." (3) http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_11215.shtml (4) http://www.americandaily.com/article/11185 (5) http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/45589 (6) many others, include FrontPage.com

Meredith (posted 9:33:24pm 14/1/06): Well done! I dialogue with Keysar. He is "the best of a (?) lot". As a person he's really quite nice. But Islamic 'truth' is the 'problem'.

Hamlet (posted 11:24:06pm 14/1/06): Yes, some of what I said related to moral issues - thankfully. We have erroniously legalised or decriminalised some very offensive behaviour. But changing our "criminal code" doesn't necessarily benefit society. One oughtn't to consider adultery permissible unless one selfishly wishes to commit adultery. We shouldn't stone an offender - as in Sharia law. What about disincentives? Instead, society 'congratulates' & 'rewards' an offender - a bad role-model. Laws which are anti-family are often anti-societal.
We're losing the perspectives of absolute right & wrong, the sense of responsibility, & the acceptance of consequences to actions. In our secular democracy we're gradually losing sight of those absolutes. That's where multiculturalism fails.

Cheers all

Fantastic article Danny, I agree with you, I think it is about time that people get honest, especially the media and politicians, the problem is they don't live with it, they run from it, and have there say behind closed doors, without really understanding, or listening to the average Australian. They don't want to know. I think a lot of jobs have come out of this multi-culti virus, political correctness, civil liberties, and so on. Well, so pleased to see an Article that is straight. The Australian News Commentary is another very good read, tells it pretty straight.

Are we deceived by Multi-culturalism?

No we are deceived by the lack of adherence to a spirituality.

Have you followed the discussion on the ‘The Problem with Liberal Democracy’ thread? It affirms much of your opinion.

I believe multiculturalism works.