Coach,

Please have a go at the following article:

http://www.islamonline.net/livedialogue/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=w1p1V2

As for your comment on 'fooling others' All I am doing is correcting misrepresentation by people who claim to be followers of loving peaceful religions!.

'Those who want to fool others' are usually those who:
- are on the attack of another religion than the one they follow:-)
- Get pissed when a follower of the misrepresented religion responds : -)

BTW, your Arabic is as bad as your theology: 'khof' is concern, 'roob' is fear, 'rahaba' is terror!

You need to study,

Peace,

FH,

>>BTW, your Arabic is as bad as your theology: 'khof' is concern, 'roob' is fear, 'rahaba' is terror!<<

So you are saying people should only be "concerned" when you strike them over the necks and all over the body? Common!

What is your REAL purpose in explaining your religion to others?

And by the way your understanding of the words peace and love are the same as your misconceptions of theology.

I am not attacking you or your religion but the ways you are trying to mislead others by beeing the smoke screen hiding the establishment of your systems into our society by twisting and moulding the truth.

Let's be honest here cousin.

All, it's rare to find a religious person with any intellectual understanding of life. Those that do, aren't long in religion. You express that in your assumptions as to my leanings and life style. The religious always try to put the blame on others, refusing to see their own hypocrisy.

For the record, I've never had a latt'e, catch my own fish, grow my own food and make my own fuel. Not left wing, nor right wing. Those that live in cities are cannon fodder for corporations and politicians and unable to see reality. I'm yet to see a politician, or wealthy person that isn't ethically corrupt. Most in those categories are also religious, the example they provide speaks for itself.

I don't have a philosophy that fits within this world, mine is for when those that care for all life, will be able to advance the world environmentally, sociologically and technologically in a sustainable and non destructive way. Your philosophy will never attain that, 2000 years of religious intent, shows us its success rate. Scientifically, its described as absolute zero. Frozen in the past.

Sadly, being a willing victim of religion, you wouldn't understand that concept, illusion blinds you to what the real world is.

We can always see the depth of harmony, peace and love, that is within religious communities, by the example they show to the world in their application. There is not one religious poster on this forum that has not resorted to abuse, threats of retaliation, damnation, false historical statements and lies when attempting to support their illusions.

There is no difference between christians, jew or muslim or any religion for that matter. All the books they follow, state one thing, yet they say another. To me that is bizarre and shows how dangerous your obnoxious god belief system is.

Of course you will all now try to blame others for bringing out your true nature, but it doesn't alter the facts.

By your posts, coaches and others, you just reinforce to all understanding people reading these threads, how lacking in credibility, your practices are.

"And you and I know very well that launching a war on some innocent citizens and tribal merchants of the time - is justified as self-defence and retaliation in the islamic psyche.

You can fool some of the people here but not all... "

ah coach, you know if you swap 'islamic' for 'american' you get an interesting correlation with public opinion here and in america in the lead up to the iraq war.

Come on you atheists, obsessed with war again, as you stand on the sidlines cheering on the war. You obviously have no answers to the problems of human conflict, except a philosophy of every man for himself. And escape from where issues have to be reconciled.

Coach,
I suggest you learn from Fellow_Human who is attempting to change the tide of movement in Islam by changing some interpretations. Similarly it would be if you tried to change some of the Dogma of the Roman Catholic Church.

We all may recognise Johnmassam is a fundamentalist Muslim and poses a threat to civil order in Australia. Fellow_Human like ourselves wants a civil society.

Obviously many in the Muslim community are not interested in coexistence only in confrontation rather than assimilation to good social behaviour. The Christian community more than ever need to teach the guidelines of the character of God as the NT teaches as were manifest in Christ.

The Koran believes Christians believe Christ was a progeny of God by special conception, Which the Catholic Church held and the Koran copied in 630AD aprox. No wonder when Mahomets Jewish friends conferred with him he had to deny Jesus was the Son of God.

A full read of the apostle John's writings reveal what is meant by being a son of God. It is living life reflecting the graces of God, the service to the sick, oppressed and poor, and speaking the wisdom of God. Christ exhorted us to live a holy life without exception. Note he mixed with what the legalist Jews would consider sinners, social outcasts and sich, racial dogs etc and offered them sonship with God once their past had been forgiven. Muslims confuse this point believing the NT to teach Christ claim to sonship was on the ground of physical progeny.

Fundamentalists Muslims believe they have a mandate to punish by death those who hold Christ as Son of God by conception by God. Try turning the Catholic Church around on that and you will recognise F_H attempt to change Johnmassam.

Ran, cheeky.

Your Ideals of Socialism is perhaps everyone’s dream of what it is to exist; unfortunately it is the weapon that destroys us as it destroys the very principle of human consciousness. History and fact portray it in a different light Ran.
I do not have an extensive knowledge of the subject at the moment, but the principle you espouse comes from 1087-1216 century England. I have a book “Oxford publications titled “Domesday Book to Magna Carta” by Austin Lane Poole published in 1951.
I wish “Pericles” could see this post as he would have a greater knowledge of it. Vast time gap- from Marxism’s Crap.
But the principle of its inception is what I and your self wish to keep, and that is the Ideals of Individualism and Knowledge and the protection from the Egoism of a Powerful entity ready to deprive you of those virtues.
We are on the same side, different levels of acceptance of what it is we are learning.
An elderly family friend of mine was involved in the Cambridge Communist infiltration, just after the war, so armed with his knowledge and realization of the wrongs of it, makes a greater knowledge base to find those that want to destroy us. And that is what is happening now. From his view point, as they have ready lived it once before and is happening again.
Religion is based on faith and the inner strength Alchemist, you have such a religion with in you, you choose to express it in a different manor and what is comfortable to you. I think.
Ran, Lock up the protestors, Ha ( I am joking