Rancitas.
your posts (however misguided as per Keiths explanation) appear to be one of the first where I can say you seem to be speaking from the heart, rather than the 'political head'. BRAVO !

I fear you and other 'lefties' have the distorted view that the 'right' as you often describe it, and in particular the 'rabid religious right' are all about mistreating and exploiting the less empowered in this land.

Keith did an excellent job of putting some history and balance back into that opinion.

I weary of being linked in peoples minds with the 'rabid/racist/exploitative' right, when the reality is that I (and I'm sure most other Christians here) are closer to what Keith showed, and this is because we have at the very foundation of the Christian community some VERY 'socialist' so to speak ideas about community:

<<The other major impetus to public health care was the Sydney Dispensary/Infirmary, a private charity. The donars were a list of the colony's elite capitalists. Medical services were given free by Doctors of the day. The care was free of charge.>>

This sounds remarkably like the 2nd chapter of Acts:

<<42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.>>

So, the Biblical position on social organization is mutual care and provision for those in need.

Which raises the question "Why do we always seem to be fighting verbally here" ?

It seems to me that as soon as society departs from God, it polarizes into 'them/us' along lines of vested economic interest, and we evolve 'LEFT' and 'RIGHT' power blocks.

So, I repeat my mantra "No political system will address the needs of the people, only renewed PEOPLE will achieve this"

<<17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come>>2cor5:17

Freidrich, you say

"Nazi Germany controlled the press for the good of the mother land. The left don't care about Australia. That's a big difference. The left is about race mixing and sexual perversions(child porn etc). The only good leftie is a dead one."

Oh, yes, the Nazis were just great for Germany and the rest of Europe weren't they? And since when has the left of politics had any connection to child porn? As for dead lefties, I think the comment would be more apposite to dead nazis. Get back under your rock. On second thoughts, keep up the posts - people need to be aware that people like you are out there. Eternal vigilance and all that.

As for David Flint, does he have any evidence for his claim about the poor neutered police and the soft justice system letting the ethnic gangs off lightly? Didn't think so. Same old BS.

Hellothere the evidence is in our courts on a daily basis.Judges won't give real punishments and hence there is no deterrents.The police force has been neutered.Privately they admit that them selves.

Just another anecdote from the past.I remember back in 1981 in Parramatta the Muslims were shooting up the Lebanese Chistian church becasue of their new statue of the Madonna was too prominate.The council made the chistians take the statue down because it was offending the Muslims.Just a few days ago the Australian flag was removed from Police Stations in Bankstown because it might offend the Muslims.When are we going to face them honestly and tell them to behave .

The left continue to be selective about what they want to hear because they are the prime culprits in creating this mess and that is why they will continue to scream racist at the Anglos to try and shame us into submission and not admit to Middle Eastern thuggery and racism.

This is a mess primarily caused by leftist idealism,that has been dishonest,deceptive who now are ducking for cover under an umbrella of finger pointing and calling us xenophobic.Just listen to the ratbag protesters calling the people of cronulla racist.They have been copping bashings and intimidation from Middle Eastern gangs for decades.Finally they just had enough.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17603419%255E1702,00.html
Beazley warns against segregation

<snip>Mr Beazley said "it was a crying shame" the antidote to the violence such as the talks between community members, politicians and the police response, did not make headlines around the globe.</snip>

This is what I would like to see happen more often. Not a comment on a blog (however useful that is to 'vent' concerns). I like to see positive and proactive collaborative action - why not sneak away from your computer today and say hello to someone you normally wouldn't...

Pt 1.
Keith, see Karl Marx’s Political Writings states: Point 10: Free education for all children in public schools.
Point 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. (Damn I forgot railways and roads). (Note: The state supposedly being in the democratic hands of the public. Rancid)
Boaz, You assert that I am a leftie (therefore, according to your mate Friedreich, superior if dead). How did you come to that conclusion Boaz.? I have made it clear before that I am neither left nor right. (A vigilante would have beaten me to death by now.) You and other OLOers have come to that conclusion because I (and others) have expressed opinions on OLO that are in favour of public education, keeping communications (Telstra, Australia Post ) in public hands, and oppose racism. Anyone on OLO who takes these positions is “regarded” a “leftie do-gooder”. That should address Keith’s exercise in history too. Immediate observation was my context – not to mention the years of being told that the public education system, public ownership of utilities are socialist concepts and that people who support Indigenous rights or environmentalists are commies (and deserve to die).
Keith you use incorrect logic. For instance: You skip from my qualification that these things are “regarded” as left to me asserting them as an absolute left ideas. Now you read back through OLO and newspaper letters and you will see that the people who support those things are often tagged as left. You have refuted nothing.
To properly refute my opinion you must go back in time and prove that those organisations and individuals who started these ventures for the public good were not ever “regarded” as leftie do-gooders. Reading OLO posts today they would be “regarded” as leftist (and rightist). Moreover, they followed K.M’s Point 6 and 10 above. ( Damn my self indulgence but ummm feels good). (Playfulness).

Part 2
Boaz re: your patronising claim that I am “heart” and don’t know my political history. (Not quiet sure how that leads to your claim I am leftist). I have intentionally never joined or supported any particular political group because it clouds ones perceptions. So I can tell you why with little bias certain groups (usually the far right) regard, remember I said “regard” public education etc as socialist (left).
See Karl Marx’s Political Writings Point Ten and Six (Part One).
Now I agree with these particular Marxist (social democratic) concepts, not because I am a Marxist or left, but because they are fair and just way to run a society - just as I think Marx’s philosophical works in relation to ideology, historical materialism and so on are helpful and I feel sorry for people who just dismiss his works as leftist propaganda. ( I rrecall a letter writer who was adamant that Karl Marx was a dictator and propagandists – rather than a philosopher).
I disagree with the other eight points in Political Writings because the vanguard is unlikely to go to the promised next stage (unless Rancid the benevolent dictator is in charge). I oppose the abolition of property rights (every bird builds a nest) and the inherent racism and undemocraticness re: free speech of Point 4: Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. (Rebels and responsible free speech are co-dependant.)
Boaz, perhaps it is a matter of too much head banging but we have something in common. Take a seat old mate. I agree with your assertion: "No political system will address the needs of the people, only renewed PEOPLE will achieve this" However, it stands to reason that a renewed people will vote for people with heart.
Boaz you only agree with Keith’s skewed logic because Keith's attempt to discredit my post supports your politics.
Keith I love the challenge (wish I had more time on my side for more rigour). Take your point though –gotta respect the Christian do-gooders even if they can be tagged as leftist. (Kelpie pup ).