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Racism in Cronulla : Comments

By Duncan Kerr, published 14/12/2005

Duncan Kerr argues Australia and the Howard Government must take steps to prevent the breakdown of our community.

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"Just Like Hitler Fought The Jews…We Too Should Fight The Jews and Burn Them"
Yet people still call the anti-jihad resistance Hitlerian. "Lebanon's Largest Government University Hosts Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV Symposium Calling to Wipe Israel Off The Map......excerpts from a symposium of students at Universite Libanaise, hosted by Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV and broadcast November 29, 2005.
"Stories From Before the Verses Came Down" was a Jordanian-produced series that ran on Saudi Iqra TV in February 2005; which was based on the Jews of the time of Mohammed. The series portrayed the Jews as despicable "pigs" scheming against Mohammed. Part of the plot included Jews altering the Torah to hide the fact that Mohammed was a true prophet; how early Jews planned "a very long war" against the decendents of Muslims and Jews depicted as having "joined forces with Satan." One episode showed Jews engaged in voodoo, creating a doll of Mohammed and sticking it with needles in his head, liver, and eyes.
Iranian state television has broadcast a cartoon that glorifies suicide bombings against Israelis, depicting a young boy blowing himself up after being told: "Go and show the Zionists how brave and heroic are the children of Palestine." The day before the cartoon was shown, Ahmadinejad declared at a World Without Zionism conference: "This stain of disgrace [Israel] will be wiped off the face of the world - and this is attainable."...
Last Thursday the president of Iran chose to stand with the cranks, neo-fascists and racists who deny the factual truth of the Holocaust. Ahmadinejad was speaking in the holy city of Mecca, head office of the “religion of peace,” during a meeting of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. There were fiftysomething other heads of government in town. How many do you think took their Iranian colleague to task?
This kind of bigotry, racism and intolerance should ( along with neo-nazi, white supremacist, Christian, communist, Buddhist - whatever) be rejected utterly, openly discussed and robustly debated in Australia without fear of 'offending' minorities who are 'Infidelophobes' or simply Negro, Asian or Jew haters.
Posted by Skid Marx, Sunday, 18 December 2005 4:46:34 PM
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Mr. Kerr,
What a ripper of an article, did Mandue Habib help you write it, or was he the author and you put your name on it. Ether way, the next time you both campaign in Universities about Western Imperialism and American terrorism, remember your derogatory contempt for the very society you have looted for so long, and still are looting. Mandue the Terrorist lecturer has an odd spin to it, what next Mr. Kerr, PhD in Ad infinitum and Duplicity in ill-begotten wealth. Another economic and Intellectual Terrorist dressed in ex-Labour party clothes counting all your Tax dollars in his account. People Take note.
Posted by All-, Sunday, 18 December 2005 6:10:16 PM
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Dear Skid
I hope you will not lump "Christians" in with all those others you metioned in future.

<<along with neo-nazi, white supremacist, Christian, communist, Buddhist - whatever>>

I appreciate your passion, and your very thorough research and if you recall, it was I who actually invited you here. (from Faris QC blog)

If you have specific issues with Christ, why not talk about them ?
I don't find any similarity at all between 'white supremacist/Neo Nazi's' and Biblical Christians.

I asked you here because of the wealth of information you are able to present, and even though you seem to be against 'Christians' also, I don't mind, because your contributions stand by themselves anyway.

But your mention/lumping of 'Christians' with those others seems to indicate an area in your thinking which needs some dialogue.
So, if you don't mind, could you demonstrate reasons (accurate ones) why you felt Christians should be associated with those others ?
So lets talk about it.

ON TOPIC
The very phrase "Racism in Cronulla" is evidence itself of a very racist disposition by the Author. He fails to make a title more generally truthful "Ethnic Racism in Cronulla" where the clear issue is racism by NLNM toward "non Lebanese non Muslim" for a long period which triggered the reaction on last sunday.

He would have better titled his piece "Cronulla Reaction to Racism" and described those who furiously attacked people of Lebanese appearance as 'misguided, but with genuine grievances'. Or, mentioned the deliberate attempt by a few 'supremacists' to hijack a peaceful protest.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 18 December 2005 7:35:30 PM
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BD, who were the supremacists you refered to in

"Or, mentioned the deliberate attempt by a few 'supremacists' to hijack a peaceful protest."

When I read that my mind recalled a post I saw before the riots from one regular poster who shall remain namless but lets call him(or her) Boaz for simplicity. This was posted on 7th December

"I have recommended they make a CODE which can be phoned to a network of Locals (with brawn) who will phone others, to stream down to the beach if gangs come and to DEFEND IT."
(http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=3856#22685)

Do you think that he(or she) was one of the supremacists? If not he(or she) certainly was not promoting a peaceful protest.

I would hope that the individual concerned would show some remorse for those comments in light of what transpired. Hopefully he(or she) will at least learn that you can't promote a violent mob response and be sure the violence will only hurt the guilty.

I seem to remember that the particular poster much admires someone who said something about "blessed are the peace makers" (I wanted to go with the Life Of Brian version there but held off - so sad).

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Sunday, 18 December 2005 8:38:31 PM
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Rob...

I think you took my comments much further than their natural meaning.

You would recall that I outlined an Action Plan which was lawful, and that I also quoted the actual legislation on 'Self Defence' to back it up.

There is nothing 'supremacist' about defending yourself. It is the lawful right of any person irrespective of their ethnicity in our society.

If your mother is on Cronulla beach with your Aunties and cousins and you (in your apartment ... u didn't feel like going to the sand that day) get a call on your mobile from one of them that a large gang of people (no matter who) are harrassing and hurting them.. are u telling me you would NOT rush to their defense ? (after calling the police of course)

We are a family... all of us. Defend/Restrain is not only lawful, it is also a responsibility on us as caring people. I didn't suggest in any of my posts that 'defense' is anything other than restraint/apprehension. (hopefully by force of numbers) So, this IS "peacemaking". Showing godless gangs that there is 'something' which differentiates our behavior from theirs. "Vengence is mine says the Lord" yes, but 'justice' is our responsibility in this world, and we hand offenders over to the police to complete that process.

I also ask questions as follows:

WHY---- are cars not being stopped going in and out of Lakemba and searched for weapons ?

WHY---- has Bankstown police station capitulated to gangs by removing the Australian flag ? (wimps !)

WHY---- do we see demonstrations about 'racists' which fail to condemn the gang violence ? (I know the answer to this, opportunistic,parasitic lefties )

WHY---- is an Anglo aussie in PENRITH arrested/charged/convicted/jailed in one day, for carrying a silly "branch" (to defend himself) when car load after car load of gang members freely travel to and from Lakemba with baseball bats and golf clubs are let free ?

WHY---- has my prediction of 'Talk Tough, selectively Act Soft' come totally true in this matter?

Anyway, glad you challenge my points, it helps clarify.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 19 December 2005 6:36:53 AM
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BD, reasonable response. You might consider the impact that calls for physical non police response to "defend" the beach have on the overall likelyhood that things will turn violent. The scenario you suggested for me was also some what more personal than the apparent context of your original post as well.

I'm pretty much in agreement with your questions. There is a part of me that thinks an appropriate response to calls for further restrictions on attire at public beaches would be to open more of them up for nude bathing. Draw a line in the sand on this. It is my understanding that people who don't like bikinis can swim fully covered if they like so any concern about attire is an attempt to control others rather than a restriction on their own freedoms.

On the other hand nudists are limited to certain beaches (none legally in QLD) presumably because some consider it offensive so maybe there is an argument that certain beaches could have a more extensive minimum dress standard to cater for those even more easily offended. Not an approach I like myself. I'm not real fond of having behaviours which don't directly impact on non-participating individuals regulatred by the government.

I use nudists as an example because they represent a group which mainstream society tends to treat in a similar manner to that which you and others are claiming some muslims wish to treat bikini wearers. In Queensland nudism are not legal on any beach (or public swiming pool), police wander off to remote beaches to arrest them etc.

Before complaining to much about how others behave it is worth considering how we behave ourselves.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 19 December 2005 7:55:01 AM
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