RObert I think we should start by deporting you. You'd be much happier back in Beirut. Tea towels , the works. How's the cedar tree tattoo over your pea heart.

Of the few muslims I've met or worked with, I haven't found one who was obnoxios. As a matter of fact, every last one of them was kind and gentle, at least until they were provoked beyond belief. As far as I'm concerned, they are people like everyone else.

Now to my questions:
1.) Have those who attacked the life-guards been apprehended yet?
2.) Have all of those who smashed cars and property - and terrorised people been apprehended yet?
3.) Have those who attacked Ambulance personnel and Police been apprehended yet?

Until these things are done, we can't expect things to go back to normal.

Justin

FRIEDRICH, interesting idea. I'm not sure that they would be to keen to accept me, no midle eastern heritage. The backgroud I know of is UK from several generations ago, I think all my great grandparents were born in this country. I don't know that we've ever had any muslims in the family. I'm not aware of any of us having tatoo's, cedar or otherwise. I use teatowels for drying dishes, holding hot things and flicking not as an item of attire.

On what basis would you deport me to Beirut?

Sticking up for innocents who have no part in the wrong doing, is that your idea of an offence against Australia.

Objecting to thugs who instead of camping on the steps of the NSW parliment until NSW has it's own Fitzgerald enquiry prefer to go out and beat up anybody with dark skin.

Once you've kicked out all the dark skinned people, all the pale skinned people who don't see things your way who goes next? What about you might those who are left decide is not OK?

The concept of a "fair go" is something that has been held dear in the Australian peoples perceptions about ourselves. Some might have reason to think we have done better at dreaming it than doing it but we try. Nothing about your posts suggests that you place any weight in the idea of a fair go. You'll happily see innocents suffer rather than have to stretch your brain to deal with any difficult concepts.

In what way are you any better than the gang thugs you despise so much?
Your hatred is just as mindless, your sense of truth and justice just as lacking.
What are the values of this country that you think are worth defending and in what possible manner do your values bear any relation to those of Australia which are so special?

R0bert

Replies to Friedrich and Robert:

Friedrich: I basically agree with your posting from 14 Dec 2005 5:55:05am - but what happened the same day at 6:49:03pm? Did you have one drink too many, or did you turn Neo Nazi? So what, if Robert is still a Pom, even after several generations? There is nothing wrong with seeing things the way they are. Remember, there is good and bad in all Nationalities - and that's all Robert pointed out.

Robert: if you read my posting from earlier on, you'll see, that I too have met only decent Muslims. This is not to say that we should put up with gangsters. Attacking Life Guards, smashing cars and Real Estate, terrorising people, threatening to rape girls, etc. is something I wouldn't put up with either. If some of these Lebanese want to declare war - let them. Then let's sort them out for good.
Try not to be too sensitive though, as that may get you into more hassles than you'll be able to handle.

What needs to happen, is that the cops should do what we pay them for - as outlined in my earlier posting.

Justin (that's just in case we need to sort some of them out)

Robert: I'm with you, but it seems that nothing we say will change the attitude of posters like Friedrich, Davo and their ilk. Because we advocate using a little reason without arrogance in the debate they just sneer labels at us. What is a "PC lefty" by the way? And Davo hurls the term "self-deprecating intellectuals" as a perjorative. I actually take it as a mild compliment, but there you are. They've added nothing at all useful to the discussion.

I'm descended from some of the first British colonists, but two of my children are of Asian and African lines and I live, socialise and work among thousands of people from just about every continent on earth. In all of them I find none of the brainless herd behaviour that we're seeing among the Sydney mobs -- including Friedrich, Davo and company. Our large community gets along without so-called "ethnic clashes". If we can do it, surely they can learn to do the same. I tried a reasonable approach in my earlier post but it has apparently led nowehere. Probably time to bow out.

F.H. thanx for the humorous post :)
I do try to be objective, but lately been working out a lot and the ol testosterone is rampaging through my body and sometimes I'm sure it effects the level of passion in my posts.

I expect the TOUGH talk by Iemma to be followed by "kid gloves" magistrates and slap on fingers punishments for the 'Lakemba' offenders. It was just good PR.

I read the Jones story, yes, he does cross the line a bit I'd say.
He also trivializes it with innappropriate jokes/jibes.

But you missed a MUCH more telling post here I think.. I won't say which one, but its wayyyyy more high impact than Jones stuff :)

As for Coach, be patient... let time and the still small voice work in his heart and mind (and in us all for that matter) He says good stuff, but in a kind of abrasive manner.. but I remember when I was hearing the gospel for the first time from a preacher in Riverstone.
Mannnn I hated his 'smooth and smug approach' as I saw it at the time.
But I distinctly remember that the issue was not 'him' but the Christ who he was trying to point to. If my faith ever relied on the qualities of the man who presented the gospel, then I would have departed long ago.

Hey, I can't quite see 'Muslim' bashing in my last post... it was more Leb Bashing, but not just for the sake of it.. to get a point to Joanna.
Ok..funny story time. 2night at gym, we were talking in the locker room about Sydney, and this guy walks in, kinda dark. I asked him 'what is your background'? and he said Dad Maori and mum ...mumble.. Then I said 'Well don't goto Cronulla, cos you look "Leb" :) and then I asked again.. umm ur mum is which ? he repied 'LEB' ... never mind.. all good natured and friendly.

and yes.. you also enjoy the season, but more the 'Reason' for the season :)