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Life's no beach in Sydney : Comments

By Salam Zreika, published 13/12/2005

Salam Zreika asks why some Australians are heading down the path of racism, while not condoning Middle Eastern youths' behaviour.

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"We do not have ‘exclusion’ as a choice. Multiculturalism, for this nation, is inevitable..." writes Swilkie.
Why inevitable? Why don't we have a choice? Globalisation is a two way street. If the whole world was open and free maybe it would work.....but it isn't and it won't. ( 'peace' activists take note, for there to be no wars and utopia you need ALL religions/ideologies to be tolerant. Islam isn't tolerant of ANY non-Muslims).
Saudi Arabia confiscates and shreds ALL non-Muslim holy books and imprisons anyone caught practising their faith. Iran's Thug-in-chief Ahmadinejad says, "I will stop Christianity in this country" and a close aide to Iran's Supreme Leader, Khamenei said that non-Muslims "cannot be called human beings but are animals who roam the earth and engage in corruption." Persian Zoroastrians (the original inhabitants) are down to just 22,000.
Hindus, Jainists, Buddhists and Christians are being systematically persecuted, forced to convert to Islam, raped, murdered, jailed or executed for 'blasphemy' or apostacy in Pakistan, Iraq, Kashmir, Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria, Sudan, 'Palestine' etc etc.
Europe is in big trouble, (see 'Eurabia', by historian, Bat Ye'or) with riots in France (still 60-70 cars torched a night - back to normal), riots in Denmark (over some cartoons of Mohammed), Belgium, Sweden (see Malmo) and the UK. Polititians/writers/press/clergy in Holland, Sweden, Denmark, UK, blah blah blah have to have security guards with them at all times because of death threats from Muslims.
Infidel Churches, Synagogues, schools, statues etc are being torched/destroyed in Europe, Balkans, Indonesia, Thailand, Pakistan, Africa etc etc. So why must Australia have to have Muslim immigrants (jihad by demography) and have it's culture radically changed by barbarians? WHY don't we have a choice, Swilkie? Why should we accept people whose 'holy' books REQUIRE our destruction? CONTINUED.
Posted by Skid Marx, Thursday, 15 December 2005 1:12:40 AM
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The riots in Cronulla are just a minor skirmish in the global war being waged against Infidels by Islam. Something is dreadfully wrong when the police bash Aussie 'racists' and do next to nothing to Muslim thugs smashing cars, bystanders, torching churches, shouting "I'm gonna f**k your mother" and "Allahu Akbar." Iemma - time to measure this man for a zunnar (dhimmi suit).
The media and our 'leaders' have acted shamefully through all this with pontificating commentators telling us that we're xenophobic, racist etc. These quislings/appeasment-weasels/would-be-dhimmis are trying to flush our civilization down the pan and must be made to answer for this on the day of reckoning that is rapidly approaching.
Don’t let them tell you “you must respect peoples beliefs”. Ask them whether they respect the beliefs of the Ku Klux Klan or nazi skinheads. Who said beliefs have to be respected? This is the most absurd statement that is often pushed by those whose beliefs cannot stand scrutiny (see Islamic spokesliars Keysar Trad, Salam Zreika, Irfan Yusef, Waleed Aly etc).
I have this strange aversion to seeing office workers get blown up when airplanes suddenly fly into the office wall, and to imagining my grandchildren stepping off the sidewalk with boweds head to let a Muslim pass.
Sir Winston Churchill, the British Prime Minister and Minister of Defense 1940-1945, summed up what he thought of Islam without fear of offending PC sensibilities:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.” Hear that, Mr. Howard? Mr. Blair? Mr. Bush
Posted by Skid Marx, Thursday, 15 December 2005 1:15:25 AM
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Part I - Debunking MAXYJ

Maxy J's response to the arguments I put forward is an excellent example of how far removed from the reality of the current situation many people are.

Maxy J comments that "We need to stop thinking of people as 'our people' or 'their people.' - it's a guaranteed sustainer of segregation and racial inequality." I agree, and it is this that is the problem Maxy. But I hope you’re not a triage nurse! It isn’t white Australia that needs to hear your arguments, it’s those who abhor the notion of tolerating others.

When I mention Aussies, I don’t mean skin colour. I’m talking about a specific culture, way of life, of principles. North Western European cultures are the ONLY cultures on the planet that think along these lines, which is why, even though the demographics of such nations has altered tremendously during the past 40 years, and that many migrant enclaves are Australia’s crime capitals, drug capitals, there has never been a backlash against such communities.

Moreover, it is these communities that deliberately want to be known as “the other”. Muslim women only swimming lessons, for example, is an indication that we, the host society, are viewed as impure, to use a euphemism.

Such distinctions of “us & them” are found everywhere in the Islamic community, both politically and in everyday life, i.e, how Muslims refer to us as “kaffir”, and are taught that “kaffir” are “najis”, or unclean, impure.

This probably goes a ways to explaining why, in detention centres, as HREOC reported, that it was common for Muslim asylum seekers to physically attack “kaffir” because they didn’t want to eat at the same table, or use utensils that “kaffir” had used. The problem was so bad that non-Muslim asylum detainees had to be moved to other detention centres.

This “us & them” mentality is perhaps most evident with arranged marriages along ethnic lines, which is indicative of extreme xenophobia. Moreover, employment practises, whereby specific ethnic groups will only employ their own, are quite common in western Sydney.
Posted by Benjamin, Thursday, 15 December 2005 7:36:00 AM
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Part II - Debunking MAXYJ

Lebanese gangs are a big problem too, as we saw with the angry people at Cronulla, who did go over the top with alcohol. I wonder what effect banning alcohol will have on the Muslim youth who bash people in packs of 20? These youth where shirts with slogans like “Leb Power” or “Leb’s Do It Better”, and so on, which shows your argument is flawed, they don't want to be Aussies MAZYJ.

The proof of us NOT being racist lies in how Australia has anti-discrimination legislation protecting minorities. In ALL the places such cultures come from have grossly racist policies towards outsiders. Many don’t have immigration programs, or even accept refugees, and in places like Saudi Arabia, foreign workers are hidden away in compounds, so as not to offend the population.

McDonalds restaurants gets blown up, as they can’t even stand any outside influence. All other religions than Islam are illegal in some Islamic countries, and the ones where Christianity is allowed, they are treated (in accordance with Islamic Law I might add) as second class citizens.

For example, in Pakistan the government are evicting hundreds of Christian families to make way for the homeless Muslims from the earthquake. Pakistani people don’t protest however. In Indonesia, their government won’t ban J.I, even though they are responsible for terrorism like Bali, because the Indonesian people would riot, such is the support. Abu Bakar Bashir gets regular visits in prison from politicians even.

DO YOU SEE THEIR RACISM YET?
Posted by Benjamin, Thursday, 15 December 2005 7:44:46 AM
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Justin thanks for your comments. Not sure if I'm more distressed by Friedrick's desire to deport me to Beirut or the suggestion that I still think of myself as a pom :). My loyalties and love are for this county and this planet. I've been to the UK once and found some places in Scotland I'd like to do some walking in, that is about as far as my liking for the UK goes.

I'm very willing to see the actual thugs dealt with as harshly as our laws allow. Especially those thugs who have been terrorising innocents for years. If they have come here from elsewhere send them back, if they were born here lock them away (and don't give them access to gym gear - some are too big already). Yes their families might suffer, their choice if they stay or go but I object strongly to the dishonest claims that every single member of any ethnic group is guilty by reason of belonging to that ethnic group. Nothing fair or reasonable about that, rather the kind of sentements which lead to the excesses seen in Nazi Germany and other parts or the world at times. Views Australians have stood against and given their lives to defend against in other places and times.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 15 December 2005 8:37:31 AM
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To Hellothere,

Ofcourse it is no good, bad, wrong etc. for those cronulla protesters to have attackted anyone at all. One needs to remember that this was originally a protest by fed up Australians of all colours who have had enough of being intimidated by gangs of Lebanese muslim cowards who have harrassed, bashed and sexually taunted the innocent for years now. And it is not just at the beaches, Bankstown, Fairfield, Liverpool etc. have all been taken over in this way.
These thugs are raised to have no respect for Australians or our society, they view kindness and tolerance-which is what all Australians have extended to them- as weaknesses that they choose to spit on. The problem is that they want to own wherever they are at the time, like animals, whether it be at a shopping mall, car dragging or at the beach, their tiny ethnocentric brains have to play the role of "Rambo".

So, again, Mr Hellothere, for years people who are genuinely angry and concerned about these gangs of racist Lebanese thugs, have been shouted down, humiliated and "1984-like" dubbed as racists. It is a political climate that does not want to confront ant problems that may or do exist in any ethnic community, and 95% of the media are silent also.

How does the average person deal with it then, when they are continually ignored and told to go away? How would it not get out of hand?

One thing is for sure, we are talking about the issue now. However, even after this madness, most politicians and journalists are still whimping out.
Posted by Matthew S, Thursday, 15 December 2005 8:51:45 AM
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