I think jw's may mean jesus w**nkers. You should be careful when refering to martin bryant, unless you understand how those invovled and live in the area feel. You will find it hard to find anyone involved who knows bryant or lives on the Tasman peninsula, that would not be the first to push the button to rid the place of him. Most PC have never been involved in any form of violent stress, yet think they are superior to others in their thinking and intelect when it comes to determining the punishment for insidious crimes.

Talk to those still traumatised after almost 10 years as to how their lives have been changed, whilst bryant sits in comfort in jail. As a veteran, I abhore violence, having seen enough on active service. But I know of very few vets that don't support the putting down of the morons that take life for pleasure, economic gain or religious persuasion. If you take their life, they won't repeat. Locking someone up for life does nothing to deter, it only gives them the opportunity to live out their lives in safety and reasonable comfort. Whilst the victims spend the rest of their lives in fear.

Unless you have been involved in violent death close up, you have no understanding of its long term effects. When the perpetrator dies, it is a release for the victim. As long as the criminal is alive, they always fear the chance of release and retribution for locking them up. Think how you would feel knowing that sometime this moron may be released to hunt you down.

Shonga (or showld that be Shonky, hwa hwa hwa), gee my bwane herts. Must be coz I’m a qeeenslayander, heh.

Who would want be become a sivillized human being anyway? I live sumwhere in norf or central qeeensland so why wowld I even think of becumming sivliyized.

Tubley, I don’t believe that there is an innate connection between civilization (civility) and the lack of a death penalty. I think that a highly civilized society can have a death penalty… if it has faith in its legal system and if it applies only to the most blatant of heinous crimes.

The big test of our maturity as a society is not the degree of civilisation but the acceptance of sustainability as mandatory. For as long as we continue to live in the most ridiculously unsustainable manner, thus very rapidly bringing on the end of society as we know it, there is something very serious wrong with the notion that we are civilised.

It is interesting to see these mentions of Port Arthur and Martin Bryant appear on the forum on the very day that I visited the place, a quarter of a century since my last visit. Very eerie. The vibes in the place were very strong, from both the penal prison and the mass-murder perspectives. Then to see it appear on the forum….wow. Gives me the creeps

I have heard so many viewpoints from every corner of this dark and sordid debate. I can tell that a great deal of thought has gone into both sides of this argument but I don't know if thought is enough. I sometimes wonder if we are even capable of making such decisions. If there is a God I wonder what she would think. I'm going into hospital tomorrow and won't be checking this forum till early next year. Merry Christmas to all of you.
Tubley Thompson

Shonga “Redneck get a life, the majority of us don't want to kill anyone, and don't want the State to do it for us either.”

As is too often the case, you, Shonga are WRONG.

The vast majority of ordinary voting Australians would see no problems with the death penalty being reintroduced and many would offer the names various criminals for the right of “first to fry” (or whatever method is deemed appropriate).

I refer you to

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/ti03.pdf

I agree with redneck. I would further, support the extension to drug related crimes, wherein, second drug offence, the criminal by hiw recidivist act, obviously has no intention to rehabilitate, therefore should forfeit the right to participate in society for all time – and death being the best expedient for such heinous scumbags.

Doubtless I will now be vilifed by the limp-wristed pansy patrol.

However, being a person of value and scruple, such attempts to scare, with view to silence me, will fall, as water does

- off this little black ducks back.

Oh please let me just be free. Free of the crap dribblers in this world.
SHONGA as usual your touchie feelie life has left you so narrow minded. The military in our country do what they are told and as much as it hurts to say this would give there lives to protect folks like you. How sad is that, good men dieing for trash like you. Go back to your university free lovin and drug parties and leave the decision making to grown ups.
KEITH is god realy a female. Well we are screwed now.
TUBLEY you are just a dead set fool. Thats it nothing else.
The death penality should be used but it is the power of the media which control public opion, look at the war in Vietnam. The Vision of war got to the public through the media and opinion was swayed. It is happening in the war against terrosium and if all you do gooders get your way the crims, terrists, reffos, and any of the other free loaders who want to distroy the Australian Life, would be welcome.
Well get stuffed.