Bd - you really are clueless.

The dance of life, Boaz, the dance of life.

Now about excusing Coach's poor behaviour. If Irfan or Fellow-Human had used such appalling tactics eg "Accept Mohamed into your life or you are arrogant" - you would've started on a diatribe that could be heard from here to Jerusalem.

Just because Coach is a Christian doesn't excuse his mean style of posting - I don't think he suffers from PMT. But perhaps he does suffer from ITW - Independant Thinking Women. And as far as that goes you would appear to suffer from that as well - to judge many of your posts regarding gender equality.

Back to topic - you are still demonstrating the warning in Bashir's article - that we are in danger of losing our freedom of expression to the oppression of religious fundamentalism of any stripe.

Scout,

I leave the PMT, ITW for you to decide. I think you are independent and intelligent enough to react logically and not just emotionally.

I appreciate it also if you direct your comments to me instead of crying on BD’s shoulder as u 2 dance. (I won’t go there…)

1. I “respect” your view does not mean I “accept” it.

2. There is a difference between a “logical viewpoint” and “Facts & Truths”. Or is this too radical and intolerable to you?

3. I did not insinuate that you may be arrogant I did say it plainly. And thank you for proving it to us: >> Bd - you really are clueless.<<

4. You still haven’t answered my questions or is God Jesus your creator too beneath you? He wants to dance with you too if you let Him lead.

So here is my statement/ questions again:

>>"Scout,

Good worldviewish logic - I respect your views however there is a master of the universe - his name is Jesus - I am curious as how you chose not to believe this fact? Do you know what you are refusing to accept? Or is it mere arrogance on your part? "<<

Coach

1) I was responding to BD's post - hardly crying on his shoulder! Appalling thought.

2) Would you please desist from forcing your religion upon me with unsolicited statements like:

"You still haven’t answered my questions or is God Jesus your creator too beneath you?"

Your god is neither my creator nor beneath me - he is YOUR belief. Not mine.

Once again you reveal yourself as the manipulator who would take all that is good and free and worth celebrating.

I continue to dance despite your efforts to control me.

Dear "Ms Independance" (Scout)

again... thank you for your clafication that I need to have among my meagre skills... that of 'mind reading'.

Hey.. my shoulder can be quite comforting..specially as I've been working out rather 'religiously' lately :)

"If Irf or F.H. made similar statements as Coach".. diatribe ? u are yet to know me. F.H. HAS been making such statements, but they are skilfully disguised and camoflagued, but he also includes enough 'generalness' in his posts to lull you 'infidels' into a warm fuzzy "I wanna be ur friend" kind of relaxed state.

You see, when you actually do understand (through study) Islam, you will know that it is not possible to be acceptable to Allah unless you confess Mohammed as "The last and final prophet".

Irf.. well he does not so much stick up for "Islam" just for Muslim social/political interests.

I have no problem with someone who has conviction expressing it in a forthright manner.. to myself. But regarding Coach's approach, you will have to consider that for yourself, and I repeat, please don't use the approach of a person, as a barrier to the truth his perhaps 'more confrontational' approach is pointing to.

There is only one thing worse than a 'hyprocrite' and that is someone who hides behind one :) You will encounter all shades of 'presentation' of the gospel Scout, from the rough and ready to the refined silver tongued orator, maybe the best solution is to actually dig out the truth yourself ? :)

As I said, by all means come back to us with Christs example or teaching. You should have a read of how the newly Spirit filled Peter addressed the Jewish crowds.. have a read...

<<22"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him....and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross>>

He called a spade a spade....

BD all you have done (after much pointless waffle) is excuse the irredeemable Coach for his appalling behaviour.

You would also appear to be trying to prove that black is white.

ie F-H is only polite to try and win me (or others) over. What B---S--t!

You clearly see me as incapable of forming a valid thought of my own - hence your continual attempts to proffer 'guidance'.

I am happy to accept advice - provided I respect the source.

Your constant vilification of anyone who does not conform to your beliefs does not engender respect.

As for your 'mind reading', no I didn't think you were - I did hope that you had a shred of imagination, however. Dance encompasses so many things....

Yes, I am indepedent and self-sufficient - and proud of it (detected patronising tone in your post - again). I have paid and suffered much to become so - therefore will not be subservient to anyone.

Comprendre?

Well Scout you havent changed still ramming your "controlling feminist" point of view down our throat. That we, as you would call, "Christian Fundamentalists" attract your ire because we express an opinion you disagree with. I would probably be right in saying BD, Coach and myself are not your regular door-knockers. But this is a Public Forum where opinion is expressed, accept it or reject it, it is your choice. I may be true to your opinion of me,"to outright insults that I receive regularly from Philo." But you do come across with an agenda to control others. How do the "hen pecked" men in your house relate to you?

Well all that aside, I too must accept insults and intimidation, that is par for the course if you follow one who was crucified for his beliefs. I do not follow a door-mat where people wipe their feet, but one who was strong in character and yet a humble servant.

I wish to all here of good will a happy Christmas. Yes that includes you Scout, if you can celebrate Christ. This is your choice!