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A time when our religion belonged to us : Comments

By Bashir Goth, published 21/11/2005

Bashir Goth describes the Ramadan festivities he experienced as a child in Somalia.

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Rather than see OLO clogged up with encomiums aimed at Islam could we see a few topics explaining the inner workings of:

Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Taoism, Sikhism, Foursquare Pentacostals, Seventh Day Adventists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Bahá'í, Juche, Cao Dai, Tenrikyo, Neo-Paganism, Rastafarianism and Scientology. Did I omit any religious club?
Posted by Sage, Monday, 21 November 2005 9:32:52 PM
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Leigh is right. Why don't Muslim's consider what is happening? Why do the the Islamic radicals always win?

Easy. Theirs is the pure, true Islam. They have the Quran and hadiths on their side. The radicals want to do what their great prophet did.

When a 'radical' and a 'moderate' debate, the radical wins. So, as I have said, the radical Islamist kills and the moderate makes excuses, saying that is not the "real" Islam.

You will notice that Bashir Goth does not try to understand the problem he complains about, nor does he really have any idea now to change things.

That, in a nut shell, is why you cannot count on any Muslim to standup for your rights and liberties. They cannot, or better, will not acknowledge the hate and violence in their religion.

What we must do is be honest, and tell them the things they don't want to hear - that Mohammed was a murder, slaver, torturer and so on, and that the teachings in their 'holy' writings are offensive to non-Muslims. As some of you readers may know, I have tried time and again to get Muslims to admit the obvious. They are in denial. They are like the zombies from "Night of the Living Dead" when you point out passages containing hate and evil deeds that are in the Quran and hadiths. They look at you and pretend you can't read or as if the words don't mean what they say (Well, except for FH, who chooses to deny the hadiths - some of them, at least when not quoting from them).

Kactuz Kid - telling it like it is since when dirt was young...
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 5:48:44 AM
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Sage,

There is one God that revealed himself to us as a father through Jesus (the Christ) some two thousands years ago. Christianity is a relationship not a religion, as disciples of Jesus we are part of God's family.

We are called to one hope: one church, one Holy Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all believers. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

But wo/man in their refusal to accept these facts have been obsessed with creating systems were they can find refuge and comfort away from the truth.
Yes you haven't even scratched the surface of naming the many thousands of man-made (and woman) religious clubs and sects.

However the reason why we are so concerned about islam in particular, is their ideology of propagation - jihad for instance is the struggle to use whatever means possible, peaceful, lawful or otherwise, to control the world and bring (it) back to the seventh century islam under their god allah and their religious system.

Maybe it's time for people like yourdelf to avail themselves of a copy of the koran and read a few pages to understand what we mean.

At the end of the day it is not who is right but what is right. A concept that has eroded from today's vocabulary to make room for ideas like tolerance, pluralism, freedom of expression, multiculturalism, etc... if one dares to stand for the truth, they are labelled bigots and narrow minded.
Posted by coach, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 9:22:30 AM
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Coach
Quote "There is one God that revealed himself to us as a father through Jesus (the Christ) some two thousands years ago." Of course you can provide proof that God exists, Jesus exists & that God has only ever spoken through Jesus & NO ONE ELSE. NOT evidence, but 100% proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you cannot provide such proof then the most you could claim logically is that you believe the above not that it is so.
Quote "Christianity is a relationship not a religion, as disciples of Jesus we are part of God's family." Sorry the dictionary defines religion as "Recognition of a supernatual power due worship, reverance & obedience" Sounds like it applies to Christianity to me. It follows that Christianity IS a religion since the dictionary definition fits it as well.
Posted by Bosk, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 2:30:37 PM
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bosk: Two moslem friends but do I fully trust these friends unfortunately the answer is of course no!
Most people can be stirred up to commit violence to a lesser or greater degree moreso the islamics, including my friends.
bosk I do not hate islam as such, but! a bloke would have to be an utter twit not to see islam as it is.
A bloke would have to be a total ding-a-ling and have no care for his country not to study this pagan religion. I have done that as well as reading newspapers and listening to radio/TV news.
As for the statements I made about pagan islam which offended you, you take me to task for saying them, like a good politically correct person.
Now prove me wrong in any of those statements.
Tell me when did you hear a moderate group of islamists really, I mean really condemn moslem barbarity.
A couple may have done so yet in the koran moslems are told it is ok to lie to unbelievers, that's you and I bosk - so?
Look at any moslem nation bosk, do you see freedom. Do you see hindu temples, Christian churches, perhaps in Indonesia and Malaysia but there they are regularly bombed.
When was the last time two moslem school girls were decapitated in Oz by a group of Christians?
Remember the pagan islamics in Oz read the same koran terrorist manual and listen to the same hate-filled bile that is spewed from many of their leaders.
Bosk please for your own good get your PC blinkers off, read about pagan islam and its aims ,no don't hate them but know them! numbat
Posted by numbat, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 3:12:01 PM
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Boaz, you said:
Ask yourself this. If one of the young men, had been away at Uni and returned to announce "Mum dad.. tribe.. I know this is going to be difficult to hear, but ...I've become Christian" Now, would that same 'harmony' be happening ?

Boaz, if your son or daughter decided to convert to Islam, or Judaism, or reject religion and become an atheist, would you be thrilled to hear they had rejected your teachings and beliefs? I suspect not. Consider your own reactions in a similar siutation before trying to cast aspertions on others.

I enjoyed this article very much, even with the very rose-coloured glasses of time and distance which were clearly being used. It almost made me want to travel to Somalia and feast at Eid!
Posted by Laurie, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 3:30:39 PM
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