Themo - Xerxes would have seen Waleed as typically Athenian.

Waleed should be commended for stating the bloomin obvious in such a convincing way. This makes him a good political aspirant.

Speeches and politics are a far better form of Muslim expression than bombs or crime. Rather than being the typical, heavily accented, "mullah" Waleed may be the new breed of Muslim politician who can appeal both to Muslims and the non Muslim majority.

May assimilation for all follow.

Mr Duck...
"Australian Muslims to decide collectively that their best interests will be served by denouncing the ratbags and nutcases who give the vast majority of decent law-abiding Muslim Australians a bad name."

Does that include Islam's great prophet? If you read about him and the things he did, it is obvious that the first thing Muslims should do is recognize that, at times, we was not a very nice guy. You wouldn't want him to be alone with your family.

But, as I have proven, Muslims absolutely refuse to consider or believe their own accounts. Consider this:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/004.smt.html#004.2127

Do you think that Muslims will admit that Mohammed was a wifebeater? If they cannot be honest about simple things, how do you expect them to tell the truth about their own thoughts and those of their community. Remember, for the "vast majority" of Muslims, old Mo - murderer, torturer and slaver - is their great example. Think about that. One would think that some Muslims would, sooner or later, stop and think: Why is it that it is always Muslims that kill, persecute, riots, behead, rape? Why? Dream on.

Terror isn't going away. It will get worse. There will be more arrests. Even so one day terror will strike, and our Muslims friends here will be making the same excuses. In the articles at OLO by Muslims, there is never any deep reflection as to why this is so. As in Waleed's article, it is always a "fringe" group that is not part of the "real" Islam. There is no self-critique as to the essance of Islam's message and how it relates to other faiths and non-Muslims in general. To do so would be painful and it would cost them dearly, in so many ways.

DB. Thanks for the link to the article about how Muslims treat apostates in England. This is also why so few Muslims can be honest - they are afraid of the truth and its implications and consequences. This is the just another reason why Islam deserves nothing but contempt and ridicule.

Kactuzkid aka John

Another article about how Muslims treat minorities, from their own press:

"Talking to the press in his office the DPO Tahir Alam specifically stressed that there was no parallel of shameful, disgust and condemnation of the heinously perpetuated crime, and the perpetuator Christian national Yousaf Masih would be spared no quarter for the barbarous crime he committed. He said that a full impartial enquiry would be conducted, and if police were found to be lax in the case, they would equally be reprimanded. Meanwhile thousands of protesters enraged by this blasphemous act formed small spinster groups and attacked the churches in the vicinity."

Note the vocabulary. Of course the police are there to protect citizens, so here they go...

"Meanwhile in a bid to arrest those responsible for torching churches, the elite force of the police picked two journalists, Tariq Sethi and Rana Yasin, who were covering the incident."

I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Please read the whole story at
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=125178

Or, better, read this more objective account:
http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/13/top6.htm

This is Islam. This is the religion that our dear friends here at OLO think we should accept as peaceful and tolerant (tell that to the Coptic nun knifed in Egypt last month by a young Muslim thug yelling "Allah is great!"). Yes, indeed, he is a great.....

This is the religion that is always claiming that they being unjustly persecuted when we take measures, no matter how small, to protect our families and lives.

This is the religion that says we should believe they are peaceful and tolerant, but is responsible for outrage after outrage, attack after attack, injustice after injustice. Does Waleed ever stop and ask himself about this? Does he care? Can he be honest?

The recent arrests of terrorism suspects in Australia will make no difference whatsoever. Nothing will change. Some muslims will continue to plan their terror opperations; other Muslims will deny their actions and make excuses and the "politically correct" elites will invite all of us site, smile, hold hands and sing "kumbaya" together.

Kactuz, again

Saw you on Compass a few weeks ago Waleed.

I've been reading through your material.

I've worked with muslims in 4 different countries and had them as neigbours in 3.

I don't believe you.

Kaktuz,

It would have helped if you read the article before your repetitive statement " This is Islam".

The article you quoted mentions that the incident was caused by “a fight over gambling debts between Muslims and Christians”.

Strange given that both religions especially islam are strict on gambling!

Do you still stick by your statement that it is ‘about religion’?

What is next? a fight between Muslims and Christians over the ownership of a bottle of Vodka?

Meredith,

Thanks for the reference. We have to continue digging for the truth. We will never hear it from our ‘friendly’ Muslims intent on world domination.

Duck,

Get yourself a dictionary. If you must use terms of abuse towards other people, at least get the right word. Xenophobia means a fear or hatred of foreigners. I neither fear nor hate foreigners, and you have no basis for suggesting that I do. As a third generation Australian, a few years into my sixth decade, I have seen plenty of different groups of foreigners arrive in this country. I have conservative opinions on immigration – believing it should now occur only in limited numbers, with focus on Australia’s needs – but I do not hate anyone just because they are foreign.

The race and countries of origin of Muslims in Australia is of no interest to me. It is the religion I dislike. I think it means trouble for Australia, and your name-calling will make no difference to my opinion.

When anyone tries to ‘engage in dialogue with Muslims’ – not just here but in the wider world – it’s like getting blood out of a stone. They are brilliant at changing the subject and dodging questions. Any politician would envy them. One particular ‘leader’ says one thing one day, and the exact opposite the next day. He can speak English when it suits, but not when he gets a tricky question, which, he claims, can’t be translated, from Arabic to English!! And this bloke is far from being the only Muslim doing it.

Are you a Muslim, MD? You seem to spend a lot of time having a go at everyone else, but not coming up with anything concrete to refute the opinions you disagree with. Do you really feel that you have the moral right to question the desire of others to enter into dialogue, Duckie? When you don’t do it yourself