Pericles
I'm afraid I haven't caught up very much with Mosely, but given enough pestering from you, I'm sure I will :) I fully appreciate your standpoint, and I guess that up till recent days it would have carried more weight. Events in France, Holland and Denmark have taken the wind out of such sails I'm afraid.

I don't need events like those to actually happen in order to know they will. Life experience and human nature alone tells me they are inevitable.

As for the 'world' and its opinion of radical action as I'm suggesting, I have a mild feeling they are already relfecting on the folly of criticising such things.

I don't worry so much about my customers punishing me, there are always 'ways' around such things as Sadaam taught us. Selling through 3rd parties is one. I have quite a good network in Asia and the US already.

Sometimes, it takes people to stand up for "I wouldn't touch that with a barge pole" unpopular visions, (as the left are reminding us) until the rest catch up.

Yuyutsu.. fully concurr. No argument from me.

Mahatma
I've almost got you trained but your still using that naughty word 'xenophobe'.. I'll give u a few more weeks to lose it then I'll give you a verbal smack :) talk issues pls

REDneck, I only have one issue with your posts, the word 'genetic' in regard to others and crime etc... I hope you focus more on simple culture and ethnnic ties rather than genes. It would make your position seem a lot less like u've just finished reading Mein Kampf. Other than that, I fully support your basic thrust. You would lose no credibility by not mentioning genes.

blessings to all

"Blah,blah,blah is not good enough Rainer.Pauline Hanson asked the same questions yet was branded a racist. "We" are a tad more articulate and can defend ourselves"

Tad more Articulate that PH? LOL

and who is the "WE"?

THE TAD MORE ATTICULATE PEOPLE THAN
PAULINE ARE HERE AND WE CAN OFFEND OURSELVES!

LOL!!

redneck , we [including you obviously], all like labels. On the clothing insult, i actually bought a nice chinese teeshirt [the prized ah-choo brand] from the red cross shop the other day .
But let's face it ,sooner or later, you are just going to have to assimilate.

BD,

You always get 'stuck' on atrocities!
The same horrors you described happened to jews, Muslims, atheists and polytheists in Africa, Spain, Europe, Bosnia, at the hands of a so-called Anglo Christians but you don't find anybody running after main stream christians with a bat!

Anyway, my view is a new comer to Australia need to understand Australian values(I believe they are 7 as per the AFR article few weeks ago) and what Australia society stands for in terms of respect the law, the society and each other. You seem to get stuck on who is wearing what and how they worship instead.

Arjay,

I cannot help but see your racist undertones by the manner in which you addressed this issue, especially when you are attacking on a personal level.

For you Arjay to say white people were treated harshly too 200 years ago, speak in context.

It was not illegal to kill an aborigine, they occupied the same status as native flora and fauna. Until the Myall Creek massacre (where babies were buried up to their neck and horses run over the top of them etc, decapitations, rape and mass murder etc by white folk)no white man had ever been hung for murdering an Aborigine.

They were displaced, not by choice. They had diseases introduced, not by choice. They were placed into missions and were forced to work as slaves when the same white man were paid for their labour.

As for your other comments on Aboriginality, I will not treat you to an answer for.

I used to be close minded and i had my views. Once you see the world for what it realy is and you integrate more, you realise that individuals are diverse in any culture, and if you you are not happy with certain individuals, let it be them NOT THE GROUP you dispise.

Arjay, it is like me saying everyone answering this forum is a racist, just because of a few.

At the end of the day, white man done the aboriginals over. lets just face it, it was no one living todays fault, and if it was not England it would have been the ruthless French anyway.

They had thousands of languages etc yes, but just because society was different to the white one you identify with, does not mean their was no ownership, no system of governance, no territory boundaries, no legal system and no inter tribal relations.

Go and listen to your bluegrass Arjay, and get your banjo out.

I have to agree with Rainier concerning Arjay's ignorant and offensive comments concerning Aboriginality. Of course when Hanson made similar comments they were widely criticised as racist - because they were!

Kartiya - I wouldn't waste too much effort trying to educate the eponymous redneck, who is stuck in the small, dark basement of his hateful worldview. From such a vantage point, attempts at dialogue are inevitably regarded as invitations to spout ignorance and hatred from his soapbox.