Here we go again.
Boaz david, redneck and the Col Rouge letting us know how it is.
I was chuffed to see BD's detailed criteria for entrance into Autralia;

I didnt really get the food thing and muslims though - what is it that bothers him sneekee asks - is it the same for kosher food and what abot a few decades ago when catholics didnt eat meat on fridays?

It could well be a losing battle for small country like us over burdened with assets and space and a pop'n growth rate rate less than 1% and waaaaaay below that of countries like Afghanistan (near 4%)and others whose cultures scare the willikers out of some of "us".

Our population density is also less than 3 souls per kilometre and those "other"countries" have densities much higher - again afghanistan 44/sqK, india 129/sq K, Iraq and Iran 57 and 42 respectively - although you'd have to figure Iraqs is thinning out at a fair rate.

And when they get here they breed like rabbits - I knocked up an equation elsewhere that put the potential growth rate of muslim converts alone, at the curent level, at around 60,00 new ones in the next ten years if they bred conservtively -

So my question is and its yet to be answered - what's the plan? if you want it stopped - and I dont - what does one do?

Short of imposed sterilization, or a return to the white Australia Policy or a coast line bristling with pointy sticks and manned( women would have no place on the front line) by those determined to defend "our way of life". What is the plan.

They're all watching us, gazing enviously out the land we stole. even Indonesia has a higher pop'n growth rate and a density 50 times greater than ours - and they're really close; I mean they catch more of our fish than Rex Hunt does.

Davo,

Riots are usually political / economical using whatever identity to propagate a message or seek attention. That is basic sociology.

The Redfern and Macquarie fields riots in our very own backyard few months ago were 5th generation Aussies. And so were the 300 drunk students of a local Catholic church in Bondi (3years ago) who went terrorising tourists and vandalising cars.

You are just selective about what you want to see.
Drop the blinkers every now and thenm you might enjoy a diverse Australia.

Boaz, bringing the current riots in Europe into the argument isn't quite the final word that you believe it to be.

Whatever the picture painted by the media, the basis of all the current excitement is money - or more precisely, unemployment and lack of money. These localized uprisings have been happening all my life, and I suspect they happened in many of my ancestors' lifetimes too.

Shortly before I left the UK in 1981, there was a spate of rioting in places such as Bristol, Brixton, Southall, Toxteth, Moss Side, Wood Green and Woolwich. Although the touch-paper was often lit by racists, the undercurrent was financial. As one commentator observed at the time:

"The first riot in Southall was different from the others. The violence began there when several coachloads of racialists were ferried into the area, ostensibly to attend a pub concert. Shops owned by Asians were damaged and the proprietors assaulted. Local Asian residents managed to organise themselves against their aggressors while the police had taken almost their entire force away to another district, allegedly on a tip-off. In all of the other riots in London, Liverpool and Manchester, black and white workers were in the broil together. They were not race riots but poverty riots. The riot in Southall did not rage because local black and white residents found it impossible to exist peaceably side by side. It was fomented by violent thugs imported for that purpose. And to those who insist that there will always be an underlying tension when different cultures exist in the same district, let them travel to somewhere like cosmopolitan Kensington in London and witness how privileged “Englishmen” have no resentment living in the same community as wealthy Arabs and Nigerians and Iranians."

The suburban riots in Paris demonstrate the same characteristic: poor neighbourhoods, high unemployment. Triggered by racists, the mayhem is used as evidence of the dangers of multiculturalism. In fact, it is at heart not significantly different from the protests of Jack Cade's rebels in 1450, or the Luddites of the early 1800s.

If the best that you can do Kartiya, is to respond with sneery one liners instead of a reasoned argument, I won't even bother responding to any of your posts directed at me in future.

I love your reasoning Sneaky Peter. Australians are so outnumbered by potential asylum shoppers that we can not stop them coming. Therefore we must not even try.

Could you submit yourself as an ALP candidate for the next election and tell the electorate that these are your policies? Howard needs you.

PERICLES

1/ Unemployment among immigrants.

Why ? one reason is their religious inflexibility or.. the perception of it by employers.
Reports of Muslims desiring time off at absurd times for prayers (one of the 5 pillars)
-wanting friday off
-the Halal/Haram issue... all contribute to making "Muslims" most unnatractive as prospective employees. Also, is their apparent willingness to 'fight' at the drop of a hat(2nights news).

When Muslims
-murder high profile Film makers ,
- make death threats against cartoonists in Denmark,
-Death Fatwa on Salman Rushdie,
-riot in France,
-The gradual implementation within the community of Sharia law in Canada
-Their justification for the death penalty for apostacy in Canada

...is it any wonder that 'Muslims' are 'nogo' zones as far as potential employees go ?

These are just facts. I haven't added any 'emotive' words thus far. It won't get any better, quite the opposite.

2/ The spiritual uniting force among Muslim immigrants.

As I've repeated ad nausium to some, the "foundations" of Islam are where desperate Muslims turn, in their time of crisis.

Just today, one of the arrested suspects is reported to have said ..quote "In some circumstances it is allowable to kill innocent women and children in fighting for Islam" .... now where on earth could this have come from ?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html
Chapter 9: PERMISSIBILITY OF KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THE NIGHT RAIDS, PROVIDED IT IS NOT DELIBERATE
Book 019, Number 4321:
It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.

Well...THAT.. is where it comes from.

3/ The Radicals drive the Agenda

It seems obvious, but apparently it isn't. Once the community is polarized, the radicals will be the movers and shakers. What will be their 'fuel' ? Not just the issues, but their scriptures and traditions..their 'sunna'

So, this very day, we have this 'fulfilled before our eyes' and yet.... it seems some scales are on many eyes.

yuyutsu ,"not on our property ...[but it's ok] in the out back "!? fair go cobber ,....ever heard of NATIVE TITLE and the Australian holders of the same, or doesn't that compute where you come from ?