Xena: I DO NOT HATE moslems, moslems I DO NOT HATE but I hate the brutal, death-loving, misogynistic, pagan worshipping religion. This religion which is a threat to all I hold dear. I do not hate hindus, buddhists, as a matter of fact I do not hate anyone - would you believe, my God forbids me to hate! If any heathens want to follow their silly religion - fine, though I will feel sorry for them and wish that they would follow the real, actual, Creator God, the God of the Bible. I repeat I DO NOT HATE moslems etc. numbat

To Xena
Why do you, and so many people/minority groups etc., immediately resort to using the word 'hate' to describe people who disagree with you.
We have a national campaign to oppose smoking - Do we hate smokers? NO. We don't like smoking, and for good reason because the facts (evidence) show smoking is harmful.
The recent establishment of a Muslim political party in Canberra that says it has as ‘a long-term goal of controlling parliament’, should concern all people who believe democracy is right.
Three Christian Sunday school teachers have just been jailed for 3 years in Indonesia for running a Sunday school to which kids invited their Muslim friends. Is this good democracy or religious freedom? Should we not be concerned, and able to speak against the promotion of this type of 'non-freedom' being promoted in Australia without it being called "hate"?
We should keep the debate to 'facts' and 'truth' - after all this string started with accusations of misinformation

Peter Stokes

I don't know how you interpret it but I find the continual trashing of a religion to be a form of hatred, intolerance - an excuse to persecute a large and diverse group of people for the actions of a few rat-bags.

I agree we should stick to the facts and the truth.

Fact: Majority of Mulsims are peaceful, reasonable human beings.

Fact: Vilification of a person's religious beliefs creates alienation and divides communities.

I am undecided whether the Christian teachers should have been convicted or not - I wasn't there. However, if Christianity was subject to the same amount on abuse on OLO as Islam has been I would be just as offended for the same reasons.

I am a member of a minority that is frequently persecuted - perhaps this is why I am sensitive to constant disparagement of particular groups such as Muslim people.

Freedom of speech should be protected - this includes my right to speech out against the religious vilification that is occurring on this forum.

Very few posts actually relate to the topic - ironically 'misinformation campaign' most posts are concerned with pointing out the faults (perceived of real) of Islam - faults which apply to any religion you care to name.

Sunday School Teachers sentenced to Three years in prison
Compass, 1 September 2005

"Indonesian judges today sentenced three women to three years in prison for allowing Muslim children to attend a Christian Sunday school program. Rebekka Zakaria, Eti Pangesti and Ratna Bangun received the sentence after judges found them guilty of violating the Child Protection Act of 2002, which forbids "deception, lies or enticement" causing a child to convert to another religion. The maximum sentence for violation of the Act is five years in prison and a fine of 100 million rupiah ($10,226). The Sunday school teachers had instructed the children to get permission from their parents before attending the program, and those who did not have permission were asked to go home, according to Jeff Hammond of Bless Indonesia Today, a Christian foundation operating out of Jakarta. None of the children had converted to Christianity..."

At: http://www.compassdirect.org/en/newslongen.php?idelement=394

Xena...

I take issue with your statement "Majority of Mulsims are peaceful, reasonable beings."

Checkout http://peacefulmuslimah.blogspot.com/
Scroll down to Feb12 post where she comments.... "No one seems to object to the photos of terrorist beheadings that are currently be circulated on mobile phones here...."

I can point to similar postings and comments of torture/beheading videos circulated on videos/phones in Muslim communities in Germany, Norway and much of the Arab world. There was one especially horrible video of a young Russion soldier (Afghanistan) being tortured in gruesome ways. What do you think about a community that is so often associated with this kind of vile behavior?

Are these "peaceful" Muslims? Why does this appear to be an Islamic thing? The fact is that most Muslims will not stand up for human rights and equality. They are bigots and given the chance to do us harm, they would do so, or they would not speak up against it.
Look at the situation of Non-Muslim minorities in Islamic lands. If they are quiet and accept second-class citizenship, they survive. If Muslims were truely reasonable the Copts would not have a page like this: http://www.copts.net/demands.asp

Xena, I will ask you the same question I have asked others here.

Given that there are about a dozen accounts in Islamic writings of hideous torture inflicted on people by Mohammud, can you condemn this man for these barbaric acts? Was he scum or was he a 'good' torturer?

It is a simple question, I think. If you can't contemplate that one, here is an easier question: Can you really say that people who cannot condemn brutal repugnant acts by their leader are 'peaceful' or 'reasonable'?

Muslims cannot be trusted. Given the chance and opportunity, and having control of society, they would - at best -institute sharia and suppress individual freedoms. At worse they would come looking for outspoken infidels to..., and their wives and daughters to....

Xena, you may be a nice person, but you are the disciple and follower of a brutal torturer. Read your own histories. Think! Be honest!

Kactuz

Xena

your sense of 'awww stop picking on them' is understandable. But you need to distinguish between picking on 'them' and outlining the root central issues of a faith which attemped to take over the whole world by military means, stopped in only 2 places. Tours in 732 (Western Europe) and Vienna in 1689 (Eastern Europe) Nothing that I can see has changed in the fundamentals driving this faith. Now they want to control Australia by a senate balance of power... nothing has changed.

If pointing out root causes, and their inherrant dangers is going to alienate people, why do they not simply look at the things we take issue with and outright condemn them ? They won't and cannot because they were done by the man on whom their faith rests. Hence the problem.

So, the alientation is basically self inflicted. Sure they can condemn 'terrorism' but can they condemn Mohamed's terrorism ? doubtful.

Xena, please read this link, about the Charter of Omar, and ask yourself if this was applied to bi-sexual women who happened to have clubs etc... how would u feel ? what would it mean for you? Then, you can get an inkling of why those of us who have studied both history and their doctrines (and have experienced life under them) are quite passionate about this issue.

The clear intention of this pact was nothing less than the humiliation, cultural and spiritual genocide of all Christians

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.html

Be that as it may, you should also appreciate that this does not mean we are lurking on the side of the road waiting for the first Muslim who passes by so we can bash him/her. It also does not mean 'hate' as Peter pointed out. It means serious concern for one's welfare.