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Religious tolerance will ensure community safety : Comments
By Mark Zirnsak, published 24/8/2005Mark Zirnsak argues it is time to stop the misinformation campaign against the Victorian Racial and Religious Tolerance Act.
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Posted by Xena, Monday, 5 September 2005 8:13:36 AM
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Isn't it marvellous eh? I read books, I visit islamic sites and I read that according to the koran it is fine to kill Christians, Jews and all who are not moslem.
This koran is the book of the moslems whether terrorists or "nice and gentle?" ordinary moslems. This koran tells pious moslems that they can slay us. This book tells pious moslems that our deaths are as nothing. This same koran tells it's believers that suicide bombing is good and will gain them a place in paradise. Then some 'bleeding hearts', usually those with no beliefs, tells me that Christians have also committed atrocities - go on really! These same bleeding hearts also say "I have walked this or the other streets and nothing happened to me so all moslems are good." Then I am berated by these same 'bleeding hearts' for being racist and for hating moslems. NO! I do not hate pagan moslems but I do hate their seemingly hate filled, death worshipping religion. I do not hate moslems but if their imams preach hatred to Australia and Australians. Preach hatred towards democracy and what this nation stands for - then I hate their death dealing, seemingly misogynistic religion. We had the 'bleeding hearts' when nazi germany was on the rise. This evil movement had their 'koran' it was called "Mien Kampf" This book which, like the koran,told all non-nazis just what was in store for them, especially the Jews. We ignored it much to our cost. Now we have the koran yet - READ the flamin book or excerpts then make a valued comment. numbat Posted by numbat, Monday, 5 September 2005 2:04:48 PM
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We must realise that all those that naively believe Islam is a toterant religion of others faith do not live in Muslim dominated cultures.
eg Indonesia: Govt won't prosecute Muslim hard-liners over church closure Muninggar Sri Saraswati and Yuli Tri Suwarni, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta/Bandung "The government said it would not take action against Muslim hard-liners who closed down dozens of churches in West Java last year, arguing that what was being closed down were not churches but "illegal congregations". "We will do nothing. We only clarify here that there were no church closures," Minister of Religious Affairs M. Maftuh Basyuni said late last week after a Cabinet meeting. "The case has been settled and the church side understand this." He explained that the group closed down the illegal congregations set up in residential areas because they "had created anxiety among local residents" in the predominantly Muslim province. The government, he added, has issued regulations for establishing houses of worship that must be obeyed by all citizens. The minister was referring to a joint ministerial decree signed in 1969 by then religious affairs minister Moh. Dahlan and home minister Amir Machmud, which requires those who want to establish places of worship to obtain permission from local administrations and the approval of local residents. Moderate Muslim leaders, including Azyumardi Azra and former president Abdurrahman "Gus Dur" Wahid, have urged the government to resolve the case and take firm action against a small intolerant section of the Muslim community. They said that only the government is authorized to close down houses of worship. ..." At http://www.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp?fileid=20050829.A0 Posted by Philo, Monday, 5 September 2005 7:05:34 PM
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Along the lines of Philo's last, Brunei has laws prohibiting gatherings in homes, of more than 5 people. (non dwellers of that house). For the same reason.
Atrocities committed by Christians. "honesty time" Oliver Cromwell rose from the middle ranks of English society to be Lord Protector of England, Scotland and Ireland, the only non-royal ever to hold that position. He played a leading role in bringing Charles I to trial and to execution; he undertook the most complete and the most brutal military conquest ever undertaken by the English over their neighbours; he championed a degree of religious freedom otherwise unknown in England before the last one hundred years; but the experiment he led collapsed within two years of his death, and his corpse dangled from a gibbet at Tyburn. He was - and remains - one of the most contentious figures in world history. That is an example Xena, closest to 'home', i.e. my own protestant tradition.... and your point of course is.... ? Again, I can only say 'compare his actions with the teaching and example of Christ' but also, remember Romans 13 and how this may complicate a 'Christlike' approach to the affairs of State. Cromwell also grappled with this idea, where the 'Emporer' is a Christian, how should he act ? If he is a prominent leader and the 'Emporer' is an evil tyrant, what does Justice demand ? The Apostles had never had a situation whre the Roman Emporer was anything but hostile to them, yet the Word of Christ ascended to the highest position of state. From what I can see and read, Cromwell was overly cruel and brutal towards the Irish Catholics. His wars with the 'Crown' of England seem at least 'just' if not Christlike. His fight was about 'freedom' not enslavement as the goal of the Crown was. It was CERTAINLY not about wealth or accumulating women. Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 5 September 2005 7:33:02 PM
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Indonesia: Conversion to Christianity Rising
Indonesian Ulemas Council alarmed at rate of conversion to Christianity ASSIST News Service, August 23, 2005 "The Indonesian Ulemas Council (MUI) discussed a "problem" at their four-day national congress the last week of July. According to the Jakarta Post, the clerical delegation was concerned Christian preachers were converting Muslims "at an alarming rate." They were "most disturbed" by "the phenomenon of the construction of churches." Demonstrating the extent Muslim hard-liners have infiltrated and now control the MUI, the congress released an 11-point fatwa (edict) denouncing liberal interpretations of Islam, secularism and pluralism as un-Islamic, and promoting a hard-line, intolerant orthodox Islam that denies equality to women and non-Muslims...." This what happens to fredom of belief in Islamic society. Posted by Philo, Monday, 5 September 2005 10:13:40 PM
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Numbat, Boaz, Philo predictably intolerant as usual.
Fact: Only a minority of Muslims ARE extremists. No one is saying go soft on terrorists. DUH! However, reasonable moderate people like the average Muslim should not be subjected to the constant abuse and vilification by 'christians' such as yourselves. You do not help. You make other christians look bad and you further hatred. Posted by Xena, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 7:07:51 AM
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Oh I DO know what this thread is about BTW. Not stupid even if I am a helpless little girly.
For a change of pace - if you really are sincere - why don't you post some of the atrocities committed by christians hmmmm? You DO seem a tad fixated on muslim-only crimes.