Well, you've all won me, how could anyone fail to be moved by this in depth discussion and such convincing evidence. I've changed my mind, I hope your god is real and as you all say that you worship the same god, then there should be no problem. If it is true, then I hope the second coming comes soon, so that your Jesus can sit on judgment. I am sure that he will say, dear religious ones, thank you for your stupidity; thank you for the destruction you have heaped upon the world God/Allah created for you to look after and enjoy. I thank you for all the native animals god/Allah created that you have destroyed in the name of self gratification and greed. I also thank you for how well you have destroyed the clean and well balanced environment Allah/god created for you all to look after. I your Christ, also thank you for the way my followers have stuck up for me and decimated those that objected. My dearest religious ones, for all this good work, you have been promised a place where you all can be together, to continue the way of life you have brought to Allah/gods creations and continue the way you represent and protect our fathers works. You will have warmth and continuous daylight to give you the opportunity to rejoice in your Saviour forever, in everlasting life. I can see that you are not happy within this creation of god/Allah's, for none of you can settle down to peace and harmonious living. Therefore for all your good works, I shall move all my followers to that place they dream of, heaven. You have made but one mistake my loyal subjects, you got the name of heaven wrong. Its real name is, SOL and as with all of gods revelations, you but have to look up and you will see your heaven, enjoy many summers there, oh true believers.

Dear Fellow_Human

Sorry I did not respond to your posting earlier. I am only a very occasional visitor to this site.

1 Allah is a generic word for God (before Islam, pagans used it), it can be referred to any god. The word Allah in the Arabic Bible refers to the Trinity.

2 Allah curses the Jews because of their rejection of Mohammed and his religion (Sura 4:46 Allah has cursed them (the Jews) because of their unbelief). Rejecting Mohammed and his religion means also rejecting their interpretation of the Torah. The Jews are cursed because they said Allah’s hand was chained (weak) (Sura 5:64 May they be cursed for what they say.) Because the Jews rejected their interpretation of the Sabbath, Allah cursed the Jews (Sura 2:65 You shall be changed into detested apes). Again, Sura 9:14 Make war on them (Jews), Allah will chastise them through you and humble them. Allah, in the Koran, has given numerous instructions to harm the Jews. Are the Jews the apple of Allah’s eye?

Same God?

3 In the Koran Allah tells the Muslims not to be friends with the Jews and Christians (Sura 5:51 Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends and protectors…. Whoever of you seeks their friendship and supports them shall become one of their number.). Sura 9:29 Fight against such of those (unbelievers) … who…. do not embrace the true faith (Islam), until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. Sura 9:73 Make war on the unbelievers and hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. In the Bible, Christians are instructed to love their neighbours as themselves; Romans 12.14 bless those who persecute you, bless and do not curse. Matthew 5:44 Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

The Koran rejects the deity of Christ. Same God?

4 Muslims and Christians hold the belief that Jesus’ second coming to fight the Anti-Christ. True, but according to Islam, Jesus will do more than that, he will return to break the Cross (Christians), kill the pigs (Jews)…

Same Jesus?

If interested, visit www.answering-Islam.org

Some excellent posts here providing in-depth and useful knowledge. However your discussion ultimately comes to nothing more than going around in circles. You need to see things from another angle.

May the truth set us free.

Like to start a new religion?

It is not as difficult as you may think. Consider these:-

o It is wise to spin off another established religion. You are more likely to succeed and it is more credible that way. And better, you can claim that your new religion is a 'revised', hence improved version of the other one. You know, like buying computer software, always go for the later version with less bugs.

o Make sure to start preaching to the poor and simple-minded. There are a lot more people like that and they are far less questioning. Provide teachings which discourage both materialism and open-mindedness. This will help to keep the poor simple-minded and be compliant. Such people are easy to manipulate and they are valuable grassroot of the faith.

o To ensure success, make sure your theology is sweetened and bias in favour of man. Top up with nicety such as allowing man to marry multiple wives.

o You will get sympathetic hearing by saying nice thing about children. So preach that children are gifts of god. This will encourage more children to be borned in families of believers. That way your followers will increase in number faster than you'd think.

o Let man be the master in a marriage and decree that the primary duty of women is to breed. This will enhance sexual pleasure of man, instill a sense of duty in sexual relationship and directly propel the number of followers upwards.

o Emphasis the virtue of a united family and brotherhood. Then enforce family value in the faith. Those who refuse to abide by the faith are no good for the cause and they should be cast out of the family. This threat alone will ensure utmost compliance and obedience. This way your followers will increase in strength due to family ties and brotherhood, faster than you'd imagine.

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o Have a guilty consience like any other religion but do not go too heavy on sins because people are easily put off by that. Therefore on one hand preach about repentence of sins, on the other advise believers that no matter what sins they commit, they are guaranteed a place in heaven if they die for the faith. It is as simple as that.

o Make this a forceful religion that reflects the power of god. Simple-minded men tend to appreciate the use of force and are generally attracted to power and strength. Hence sanction killings under quite a few scenarios but also provide simple yet convincing justifications for the simple-minded. Justify destroying anything that opposes the religion. That's a lot of authority and power in the hands of a believer.

o Spell out regimental but simple daily routines that believers can perform which will make them psychologically closer to god whenever carrying out those routines. For instance praying in a certain godly manner - five times a day, at fixed time, facing a set direction, squat in a certain fashion, move hands and bow in a manner pleasing to god.

o Specify clothing and appearance that supposedly pleases god. A bit like putting on uniform which makes a person feels a momentous sense of duty. This helps in team spirit and brotherhood solidarity, a very important factor in strengthening the religion.

o Provide an easily identifiable target and name an enemy of the religion. The best is another race of people who has always been competitor economically and are hated anyway. This provides an important rally point for followers and a better sense of religious purpose.

o Dish out hopes but also spell out the requirements which directly propel the expansion of the religion. For example, those who dies for the religion are quaranteed a place in paradise with heavenly virgins.

o Make a requirement that believers are to spread the religion.

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GZ... your analysis of Islam is most accurate and insightful.

Sounds like you might have come from Malaysia :) ?

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o Most people are drawn to hating one's enemy and listen to why the hatred is justifiable. Therefore make sure you do not preach love towards one's enemy because most people cannot grasp the logic. Rather, make enemy acceptance of the faith a prerequisite for compassion towards them.

o Implement simple laws that are effective in the eyes of man. For example, adulterous women are to be stoned to death. Craft the law so that it is very hard for women to dispute the allegation. This way they will fear man and be at the mercy of man. Man likes such laws as they are effective in subjugating women.

o Make confident claims that you have obtained words directly from god. Then decree that it is blasphemous to doubt your authority from god. This will help to remove any doubter.

In order to survive, then conquer and plunder, that's how Mohammad cunningly plotted and established Islam. I kid you not. There is NO god called Allah and Mohammad is only a messenger of his own imagination.

Mohammad only started out to destroy the Jews, the arch enemy of the Arabs. Never in his wildest dream did he imagined Islam would spread like uncontrollable weeds that it did. This is much more than he had bargained for. He'd be turning in his grave laughing ha ha ha...

But don't you Muslims be disheartened. Now the messenger of the true god has finally emerged. You see, just like the Jews, Muslims have gone astrayed from the truth too, due to some of the fouled teachings of Mohammad.

The true god is in fact Halla and his true messenger is Dammahom (pbuh: peace and blessings upon him). Dammahom (pbuh) will now lead Muslims to the right path, the path of Malsi (meaning- Submission to Halla). Fortunately if you know Islam than you already know a lot about Malsi which is similar to Islam in many ways. In Malsi, Mohammad is regarded as a prophet with a higher status than Jesus but lower than Dammahom (pbuh).

According to Dammahom (pbuh), Halla now demands that all Muslims must accept the correct version of Koran (known as Narok), repent their deeds as a result of fouled teachings, and progress their salvation by accepting the path of Malsi. Henceforth Muslims will be known as Milsums.

I bear witness there is no God but Halla (the compassionate one) and Dammahom (peace and blessings upon him) is his messenger !!

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