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Islam and the West : Comments

By Nayeefa Chowdhury, published 19/7/2005

Nayeefa Chowdhury examines the theses of Huntingdon and Fukuyama as they attempt to understand the aspirations of Muslim societies.

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Islam is similar to Nazism but worse. It is not just a religion, it is a complete social system with it's own barbaric legal code, it's own dress rules and even it's own dietary rules. It is so all pervasive in a Muslim's life, it even sets down strict rules on how a person should wipe their backside.

Islam is a plague upon the Earth, and it is about time our flaccid Western politicians came right out and said it. One thing is certain, Islamic countries are all failures (unless they have a bunch of Chinese running the economy)and the more Islamic they are, the more of a failure they are.

Orthodox Christians, Catholics, Prots, Buddhists, Sikhs,Confusians, Bahai and Hindu's all get along OK together, and none of these religions has a problem with each other. But all of these religions has a problem with Islam. Islam is an aggressive and totally intolerant religion who preaches to it's adherents that Muslims are one thing and everybody else on the planet is something else.

The myth that Western people could live with Muslims peacefully just blew up in London, New York and Madrid. These people are a danger to us all and should not be allowed to immigrate to this country.
Posted by redneck, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 7:53:31 PM
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Hey look redneck, you and Islam have a few things in common (by your definition!)... your intolerance, a plague on the earth and a failure (by human standards)...congratulations...

** my apologies to the Islamic faith... I don't really think you are any of these things... just few fools like redneck hiding behind your faith...
Posted by Reason, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:21:59 PM
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I am saddened by the way comments to this article have turned to abuse. Nayeefa has given us a well constructed article that is a credit to her. For her pains she has evoked a comparison of Islam with Nazism. This is not rational argument, it is plain prejudice. The way forward is honest debate about the nature of Islam, something that has not been allowed by the climate of political correctness. Simply papering over the differences will serve no one, we need to understand each other. Part of the problem with the comments section is that authors publish their ideas under their own names but those who post comments may do so anonymously. For some this gives them permission to avoid real informed discussion and to engage in insult and innuendo.
Posted by Sells, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:45:41 PM
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Conratulations, Sells for supporting Nayeefa,

In backing Nayeefa, it is not that we want to become Moslems, it is about a fair go for someone showing both intellect and courage like Nayeefa. Some of us have already used up a lot of forum post space explaining that Western history owes a lot to Islam for virtually getting Christianity out of the Dark Ages through the cooperation around 2000 AD of Muslim scholars able to converse with the French monk Peter Abelard who in turn influenced St Thomas Aquinas. Much debt is also owed to Ancient Greek philosophy, which the Muslims did not destroy like the earlier Christians, but used it to advantage, helping the West get out of a rut, which any of Nayeefa's critics can find out if they hook on to Google website.

In fact, it could be said to both Christians and Islamics, history has shown that both sides have used the light of reason to advantage. Reason is also shown in sport between our two great religions with good umpires. So what about a good heap of it in civil life. But sadly, especially from our leaders the way things are at present in foreign relations, there is not much of a fair go coming from either side.

Best Wishes - George C - (Bushbred)
Posted by bushbred, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 2:15:22 AM
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Hi Sells,

Few corrections/ comments:

1. Abraham place in Islam
The koran defines muslims as the followers of Abraham in terms of endorcing the commandments. The Koran have part 14 talking comprehensively about Abraham and 16 (120-123) defining Muslims are following the Abraham path. The pilgrim (visiting Mecca) is to the house he built with Ishmael, his son from his wife Hagar. You can refer to the Bible for further references. The most references in the Koran is to Abraham (63 references) in 25 different surahs of the 114.

2. Allah and the Christian God
They are one God: Allah is the name of God in the Arabic Bible. Muslims (and Christian arabs) use the word Allah rather than God because of two reasons:
- It have no plural
- It is neither male or female (there is no ‘it’ in most Semitic languages)

3. Mohamed was a warrior
Mohammed was a merchant till the age of 40 when the message came to him. Before then, his reputation within the tribes was the wise man that always prevented tribal wars (read his famous story of the blackstone).
From the age of 40 to 53 his was asked to preach his message. The concept of self defence in Islam ‘preached by fight those who fight you and do not transgress’ was actually when Mohamed (PUH) was 53 years of age. All wars within his life was survival wars when he was always outnumbered in ratio (10 or 15 to 1 in some cases).
Interestingly enough both Islam and Christian teachings believe that Jesus second coming will have a fighting/ defence aspect.
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 9:48:59 AM
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Naive C. gives us the same old blather about the Islamists weighing in with their historically based opinion on the best form of government. I only wish she were kidding. Since its inception, Islam has been hostile to the non-Islamic world. (And don't talk about dhimmitude, which has not changed in Islamic doctrine, as tolerance.) Today, the apologists excuse the most recent barbarity in London by citing Iraq. Yes, and Hitler's Germany needed breathing room, too. And what have the Phillipinos or Indonesians done to deserve violent rebellion from Muslims? What have the Christians and Animists in Sudan -- or the Copts in Egypt -- done to deserve being killed and raped in the name of jihad? What alleged atrocity by the West justifies the Saudis' forbidding Bibles to be carried -- or any other religion to be practiced -- in Saudi Arabia, or the Taliban's subjugating of women to the status of chattel? Wake up and smell the jihad.
Posted by JihadJoe, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 4:24:17 PM
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