Reason ( or should I say 'lack thereof' :)

please don't make the same mistake as many, comparing George Bush or the US to 'Mohammed' and justifying MOhammed because of Bush, simply because Bush happens to claim he is Christian.

If Mohammed was just another "Joseph Smith" with his quaint little Tabernacle Qoir it would be no biggy. So what if we are door knocked by a pair of well dressed but deluded mormons from time to time, there are not 1.4 billion Mormons in the world. They don't arm themselves and attack others.

Scrutinize Mohammed, in the light of his claims. "I am the final Messnger of God" Do some research on the life of John the Baptist, of Christ, look at their behavior, words, actions. See also the Prophets like Amos, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea. Most prophets acted 'symbolically' with the notable exception of Elijah at Carmel, all the prophets would 'speak, and leave it up to the king' They didn't zip off and rally their tribe and go on a murderous rampage.

Reason, there ARE ....HUGE differences between the traditions.

Redneck is not a Christian (by his own confession) so don't expect him to have anything but the 'community sentiment' re Islam, and community sentiment is usually pretty coarse. (no offense Redneck)

Hi Reason, and welcome. Unfortunately this thread has our eponymous redneck and Boaz_o the crusader all a-lather - but don't be deterred from contributing: some of us (a bit perversely, perhaps) enjoy eliciting their strange and odious fantasies and bizarre theories from them. We rationalise this as constituting at worst a kind of benign outing, while at best an entertaining reflexivity about a critical global dilemma.

It has to be useful to see how those who support, inflame and maintain conflict justify themselves, at the very least.

Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. Consider just two issues: 1. Muslims deny the diety of Christ. 2. The Bible says God loves the Jews, in fact, the Jews are the apple of God's eyes. In Islam, Jews (and Christians) are cursed and are to be killed, Muslims are not even to be their friends. How can the Muslims claim that Allah and the Christian God are one and the same? Is God asking the Muslims to kill those He loves?

Samdin,

Please refer to my post above to Sells. In Islamic faith: Muslims, Christians and jews worship the same God and have the same God because in our faith there is no other Gods. Refer in my posting above to source of the word Allah (also used for God) in the Arabic bible and church services until today for Arab Christians.

Myth 1: The Qu’ran curses the Jews
The Qu’ran only critizes the jews who do not follow the Mosaic law or toy / manipulate it the four areas mentioned in my posting to Sells (see above).

Myth 2: The Qu’ran hate Christians
Any Christian on this forum (Philo/BD) can quote you what the Qu’ran says about Christians. The qu’ran loves the followers of Jesus and we, Muslims consider ourselves followers of Jesus as well. It is Jesus (PUH) who is come back to us at the end of time and not Mohamed (PUH). Muslims and Christians hold the belief that Jesus 's second coming to 'fight' (Like that word BD?:):) the Anti-Christ and peace will reign on earth for years to follow.

The only criticism in the qu’ran to Christians is for them blurring the first commandment “God is One” with the introduction of the Trinity doctrine.
AK

Hey-ho Redneck!
You asked a question? The only question was – “Intolerant”, MrReason? (to be exact). So where is the question? Most of what you have to say is some kind of babble against something you don’t understand, have no depth of knowledge about and fear because big brother tells you to.

As to “your peoples enemies” – that kind of thinking was supposed to die out with slavery and it’s narrow-minded hysteria. Sad to see it’s still alive and well. Fortunately, in the medium to long run, people will overcome their selfishness and belief that different doesn’t mean threat. Sooner, when people like you pass. But then, I don’t hope someone blows you up redneck. I hope you have a long peaceful life, perhaps contemplating the hate and intolerance you bring to this world (yeah right! And the US will become a nation of truth!).

Superior western culture? You are kidding? No, I thought not. Sounds very Nazi. And just look at the largest consumers of porn, child abuse, obesity. There’s more but only 350 words. How on this weird earth can you call western culture superior? I’m white and although there are plenty of good things from the west, there are plenty of bad. Again, it’s your kind of thinking (just like the bombers you hate) that causes so much strife. Grow up.

As for real debate. Your slagging does not constitute a debate. I rant in response to your rants. Produce some factual, verified data and I will respond. But I don’t think it will happen. You have no basis to hate. No one ever does.

Boaz…
I’ve read a few of your posts. Seems you have some fix on the issues. However I don’t think one interpretation is a summary of the issues. To deny western complicity in creating the current situation with Islamic extremism is like not blaming the fuel for the fire. If less exploitation occurred, the Muslim community may be more ready to deal with the extremist issue. No history class can refute (or prove granted) this.

I've had some complaints that parts of this thread constitute flaming. I don't think it is there yet, but it is getting close. Can I suggest that if you are going to preach tolerance then that is what you should practice as well? Otherwise I will suspend for flaming. We have some great conversations on these threads, but sometimes they can get aggressive to a level that might be acceptable to some, but deter many more others.