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Pro-choice and no-choice : Comments

By Kathy Woolf, published 20/7/2005

Kathy Woolf argues Natasha Stott-Despoja is out of step with public opinion on abortion.

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I have been interested reading in posts how many women contributing have been subjected to violence. I noticed Kathy Woolf has also written an opinion piece about the link between abortion and violence: http://www.righttolife.asn.au/opinion_pieces/op20050308.htm
Posted by magella, Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:47:26 PM
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Tracy:

I cant imagine (in my wildest night-mare) how you sleep at night knowing you contributed to the willful destruction of another human being ( blob ..in another's words )For that matter what of the other 8000+++ annual sausage sizzlers that churn out their 'waste' at the expense of ailing Tax-payers. The abortionist, and back-yard cronies, have created a thriving Industry at the expense of pediatrics,oncology, etc.. reality - ursurping other more demanding surgery and medicine which could meanfully be spent for the benefit of all Australians.
My point should not be lost on you. Your hubristic article classifies you among those who create the crime, but absolve yourselves with paltry innocent invectives apportioning the time to some other victim. Get REAL. I lived through the Vietnam debacle. Witnessed horror and bloodshed, but it dosen't make be any less sanguine. I bleed profusely for those innocents who had ABSOLUTELY no say in their demise. Would you want to know if your parents callously deposed of you in a vacuum cleaner. Have you No rights ??
Of all the Crimes against Humanity, there is in my journal, none more dispicable, diabolical and wanton. To think that the numbers lining up each year increases..to the point Tony Abbot voiced his concerned in Parliament..only to cop flak by the joint chorus of Fem-libbers,Women's Lobby, Anarchist, Hari-Krishna, and Byron Bay Marijuana Femenist grouppenhausers. OK already
Posted by dalma, Thursday, 28 July 2005 2:42:12 PM
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Dalma,

I'm not sure how I'm contributing to the willful destruction of another human being, or who the sausage sizzlers are or, for that matter, the Byron Bay Marijuana Feminist Grouppenhausers.

Just for your reference, I avoided being faced with the abortion decision a few times, through luck more than good management, like enaj says. Though when faced with an unexpected pregnancy and little social support, but a man that stuck around, I opted to continue it and now have a beautiful four year old. This decision was due to my own belief system and the potential for the situation to turn out OK - not my morality.

You're welcome to interpret my posts as hubristic, and maybe they are. If hubris is advocating that we should all take off our blinkers and learn about the issue through the experiences of as many people as possible, then I'm guilty as charged. But I think it's pretty fair to feel that women should not be pushed into keeping a pregnancy if they have neither the means, support nor love to raise a child. Do you believe they should?

I hope you're contributing your passion for this issue to organisations who support women to continue unexpected pregnancies. It would do more for your cause than ridiculing people who express a view different to yours.

If we had a society that adequately supported pregnant women, new mothers and fathers and their babies, instead of marginalising and isolating them, the rate of abortions could probably be halved. And I think that’s something most of us would agree would be a good thing.
Posted by Tracy, Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:12:49 PM
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Dalma

I found your post to Tracy extremely cruel. We have not walked in her shoes. We do not know the many extraneous variables which combined, assisted her in making the decision to abort.

Pardon my ignorance - but what is the meaning underpinning the "sausage sizzle" anology?

If you have a daughter and she was gang raped and became pregnant - would you not allow her the choice of having an abortion?
Posted by kalweb, Thursday, 28 July 2005 5:19:10 PM
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It would appear that the Senators actions have little to do with the welfare of women and more to do with trying to draw media attention to increasingly irrelevant Democrats. When will the abortion argument stop being based around opinions and notions of womens rights rather than facts. The answers to the abortion arguments are simple. Is an unborn child a human being? – the answer that science gives to this question is an unequivocal yes. A developing child, though small is still a child. It is not just a part of a woman’s body. The only dividing line between a foetus and a baby is one that we have created, not one that stacks up in science. Do abortions harm women? – once again the results of studies say the answer is yes. The results are everything from infertility, to depression to breast cancer. As a society we need to be brave and pull back the curtain and look at what abortion really means and what it really does. Just because something is perceived to be popular, does not make it right. History has shown us this far to many times.
Posted by Boanerges, Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:44:03 PM
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Aslan, you seem to think that I know every thing about abortion and nothing about contraception. Being a Gen Xer, I am savvy with both. You can certainly tell who the males and females are in this post. Firstly, I agree with another poster, Dalma, you are hysterical and disrespectful of what is being posted here. Also, miscarriage is a separate issue to abortion and one should not confuse the two and therefore judge them together about a woman's non/control over the choice. Let's just narrow it back down to abortion.

When males have the ability, responsibility and the dilemma with their bodies and their lives to be able to make the decision of whether or not to go ahead and go through a birth and the raising of a child, regardless of whether their partner is there for them or not, financially, emotionally and in respect to at least that child being born - (Men don't have the best track record of this, which may give an insight into why abortions are still sought after).

Men allegedly rule the world. At least give women the right to rule their own womb. The right I have for this has nothing to do with religion, politics nor society.
Posted by Di, Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:50:08 PM
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