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Pro-choice and no-choice : Comments

By Kathy Woolf, published 20/7/2005

Kathy Woolf argues Natasha Stott-Despoja is out of step with public opinion on abortion.

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I had an abortion when I was 15 - too young.

I had an abortion when I was 25 - husband too mental.

If I was to fall pregnant now (51) I would have another abortion due to probable genetic abnormalities due to age.

Three strikes - I guess I'm out.
Posted by Trinity, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 10:01:38 AM
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Well Timkins, I think we can all agree that if you ever got preggers you wouldn't have an abortion no matter the circumstances. Now! we can all get some sleep!
Posted by Di, Thursday, 25 August 2005 7:53:51 PM
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Trinity,
I would think the chances of a woman becoming pregnant at 51 are quite minimal, but if a woman of 51 is concerned about becoming pregnant, she should contact her doctor, (not an abortionist).

It is not illegal to have a deformity, but it is illegal to kill someone if they do have a deformity, as most people have some type of deformity. For example :- I am slightly deaf in one ear, and I also have to wear reading glasses.

If the stats were allowed to come out, I think it would be very surprising how many miscarriages and deformities in children are being caused because the mother takes drugs during the pregnancy (eg alcohol, nicotine etc), but if a woman does want to take drugs and/or does not want to use much contraception, does not want to have sterilization, does not want abstinence, does not want to adopt out children, BUT wants 3 or more abortions, then I definitely believe she should present her reasons to a panel, and that panel can order increased counselling into such things as contraception, sterilization, abstinence, and adoption.

But don’t just believe me, contact Dr. Bernard Nathanson, as he has had considerable experience in the area of abortion.
Posted by Timkins, Friday, 26 August 2005 4:24:44 PM
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Really Timkins, then I can ignore my doctor's advice and throw away the contraceptives? Because at 51 I am unlikely to become pregnant? Does happen more frequently than you care to admit. My doctor does perform abortions. You seem to imply that there is a difference.

Men's sperm is also affected at a genetic level by drugs, alcohol, cigarettes but I noticed you only wish to cast aspersions on women - how unusual.

You give greater credence to a foetus above and beyond that of a living breathing human being. You would force women to term against their will. You would reduce us to being nothing more than baby producing machines. You do not revere life as you wish so much to control it.

You are out of step, out of line and out of this continuum.
Posted by Trinity, Saturday, 27 August 2005 9:47:52 AM
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Trinity,
If a woman does not want to be a baby produceing machine, then she should take contraception, use abstinence, become sterilized etc.

You have not produced the slightest amount of evidence that the feotus is not human, and abortion does not constitute the murder of a human.

It appears that while pro-abortion supporters will often say that abortion is "family planning", they seem to overlook the "best interests of the child", which is so often incorporated into Family Law (perhaps because the pregnancy is veiwed as an inconveinence to the mother).

Deformities in children can be because of males taking drugs, but most deformities that occur in children because of drug taking, occur when the pregnant mother takes drugs
Posted by Timkins, Saturday, 27 August 2005 2:23:21 PM
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Timkins the debate on whether a foetus is human or not is just another attempt to take control over women. For me, life begins at birth, until then I have autonomy over my body, my reproduction.

As for contraception - you are fully aware it is not 100% perfect. I trust that you have had the consideration to have yourself sterilised as it is an easier and safer procedure for men than it is for women - even you should know that.

It is not murder to have an abortion, it is murder to force women into a position where they have to seek back yard abortionists and die from the results. That is what would happen if abortion was once again made illegal. You are intelligent enough to know this, therefore I can only conclude that you are not pro-life if you do not value the lives of women.

It also occurs to me, because you are simply repeating yourself, that you simply desire to have the last word in this debate. How childish - no Timkins this is not an "unsubstantiated attempt to stereotype you" it is a conclusion based upon the tone and subject matter of your posts - you stereotype and malign yourself. For example your foolish attempt to slander Ambo.
Posted by Trinity, Sunday, 28 August 2005 8:46:21 AM
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