The self righteous sanctimoney of the 'selfless' parent knows no bounds.

l can think of nothing more selfish than projecting ones own genes into the future. Its as close to immortality as the SELF will ever get.

Intriguing that we have no say in the matter of life and that is entirely a decision of our parents, who made the decision for THEMSELVES, obviously without any consultation of us. Intriguing that after that SELF-invloved decision has been made and the life enters this world that parents all of a sudden become selfless. Intriguing that parents do not extend that selflessness to some strangers' kids over the hill and far away. Intriguing how that your selflessness is extended to YOUR children and not mine.

Interesting post Trade. I like to think that I thought carefully about becoming a parent when I decided upon an abortion. I decided that due to the psychopathic nature of my husband that I didn't want to bear his children. Is this selfless? Not really because at that time of my life (in my 20's) I also knew I was too immature and selfish to want to raise children then. I don't regret my decision although I often wish I had children now - but not his - never his.

We can make decisions about parenting. Many people become parents without a thought - this has always concerned me. I reliquished the opportunity because I knew I couldn't provide the necessary care. I understand what you mean about questioning your own parents motives for bringing you into the world - you're right we don't get any choice in the matter.

A bit more on topic, when I had my abortion I was fully appraised of the situation - in fact I had to change doctors because my then doctor did not approve of abortion - so believe me I had ALL the facts and then some. All that he achieved was to make a distressing experience even more so. I still went ahead with the termination. And I still don't regret my decision.

Kathy Woolf is hoping that the current swing to the right indicates that more people would relinquish control over their reproductive rights - not going to happen. It gets back to that word again - Control - who has it who wants it.

So the pro-life position is about religion and control?
After hearing pro-lifers for decades talking about how abortion kills babies, showing pictures of unborn babies having been aborted, this is a logical conclusion? If I, as a pro-life person, wanted to control women's bodies (which is absurd since I myself am a woman) I would be protesting against tubal ligation, the pill, condoms, breast augmentation, botox, tummy tucks etc. etc. Does any pro-life person do this? No, because none of these choices involve the deliberate killing of another human being. Ladies, make your choices, be prepared for the consequences but repeatedly replacing the word 'abortion' with 'choice' in your legal abortion campaign does not change the fact that every abortion kills a baby, some abortions, though legal, even kill a woman.

Oh Elka, some abortions kill women, certainly, but not if done safely with proper medical care, different if done in backyards, illegally, as happened in the past.
You can't stop abortion, however much you might like to, you can only push it underground and vastly increase the risk of losing 2 lives instead of 1.
You are opposed to abortion, good for you Elka. I applaud and completely support your right never to have one. I would defend your right to make such a decision about your own body and your own life vigorously. But I claim the same right for myself. A foetus neither knows nor cares whether it is born or not, that is why its rights, while important, can never weigh equally against the rights of the conscious human being most involved; the mother.
Are women merely portals through which other human beings enter the world or are they full human beings in their own right? If they are the second we must accept their ability to make such choices and decisions for themselves.

Hutlen, echoing Trinity here, thanks for giving that perspective. Enaj, as always making sense. Trinity, you are absolutely right in what you say. If I am selfish for aborting a baby, which to me and my way of thinking, is a blob of tissue until such a time as professional people (not pro lifers waving banners) advise me otherwise, I will consider that. If anyone wants to rave about souls coming into it from inception, well it's a religious debate, not a political one. Abortion is only a religious debate if the person affected chooses to bring her religion into it. Women, who happen to have a womb and the ability to have children - or not! should have the ultimate decision. Not god, not men, not politics, nor society. We are entitled, as over 50% of the voting, living, breathing population to have the ultimate choice over this. We are entitled to have safe and affordable access to birth control, medication, et al. with all facts, counselling without being prejudice either side.

Evolutionary wise, if guys had the egg lodged in their "host" bodies growing, rather than ejecting the sperm and going about their merry way, we wouldn't be having this argument. Financially, emotionally or morally. Women don't morally judge men on their decision to have a vasectonmy, which is 50% of the equation. Why is pregnancy always related to a women's choice to become pregnant, then blithely have an abortion?

Timkins I can see where you are coming from however. It's a different ball game if the man wants the baby and wants to support his partner. But I'm sure with such a big life decision, you would not want your partner to be the ultimate decider on your behalf?

A clear and consistent theme is an emtional and irrational response from pro abortions folk. It makes me sad. Around 4 out of every 10 girls my age (21) will have at least one abortion during their years of fertility. That's why i consider it so important to be pro life.

Four out of every ten girls i socialise with, go to university with and see out on the town will experience profound tragedy. Their lives altered because society turned them against their own child. Latent wounds which could open at any time. Abortion is doing horrific things behind closed doors to my contemporaries and their babies, and it brings me no end in grief.