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Domestic violence - a statistical 'shock and awe' campaign? : Comments

By Michael Gray, published 8/6/2005

Michael Gray argues manipulation of domestic violence statistics oscures the true facts.

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Garra,
Exactly, in that Xyonline article, Dr Flood argues that other social scientists are wrong in their conclusions regards domestic violence. The reason for this is that domestic violence studies are carried out differently. But these studies give such widely different results, it must mean that there must be some type of bias somewhere in the system, to give these widely different results.

So we have studies such as the latest study from the Domestic Violence Clearing House that involved 47 people, but only one was male. This is gender bias within Social Science research, and nearly all the studies that they archive into their database do not contain males also, or they only refer to males as being the perpetrators of domestic violence.

Other organisations, (including government departments), then refer to these biased archived studies, and the bias becomes ingrained throughout the system and institutionalised.

I would think that the eventual aim is to replicate the Canadian system which is “Shout at your Spouse, Lose your House”, but of course this will only apply to the husbands, as shouting is domestic violence, and of course all domestic violence is carried out by males, and of course no woman would ever shout at her husband, or even her children
Posted by Timkins, Wednesday, 22 June 2005 8:48:39 PM
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Robert,

I know you mean well and undoubtedly have been hardly done by, but I think that your experience has led to you seeking out only those studies that confirm your personal theory that women perpetrate as much domestic violence as men do. That's what is meant by 'confirmation bias' (I have no idea what constitutes 'conformational bias'). The 'men as DV victims' claptrap/propaganda that some people post here is invariably full of it.

Timkins,

By the spurious nature of most of the hyperlinks that you post here, it's been obvious for some time that you haven't a clue as to what constitutes reliable and authoritative research. Here's a clue: most of it isn't yet available on the web, unless you have academic affiliation to the full-text journal databases.

And you guys ought to pay closer attention to what you read, instead of trying to cherrypick snippets that confirm your fantasies. The article I directed you to was written by Ben Wadham, not Michael Flood.
Posted by garra, Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:06:38 PM
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Garra,
Thankyou for your attempts to stereotype myself (“spurious hyperlinks” “haven’t a clue” etc). However that could be regarded as verbal abuse, which is now regarded as a form of domestic violence.

Stereotyping would be an aspect of Dr Flood’s website, (as there is hardly one positive comment made about the male gender on that website) and also much of the research carried out by Social Science, and as pointed out, organisations such as the Australian Domestic Violence Clearing House (which is the main database of information on domestic violence in Australia) are filled with studies that will only portray domestic violence as being “gendered violence”, but most of those studies do not involve males, or those studies will only portray males as being domestic violence perpetrators.

Their studies are no better than an organisation that studies crime, but only crime committed by blacks, or by whites, (and not both combined), and then they do not look for the reasons for the crime, but treat crime very superficially.

However I can remember reading one study into domestic violence, where it was found that it was much more likely to occur in some post code areas in Australia and not others. If domestic violence was “gendered violence”, then it should occur uniformly throughout Australia. But perhaps those post code areas had many more males, so there would be more domestic violence.
Posted by Timkins, Thursday, 23 June 2005 9:20:40 AM
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Try watching the TV news, (hardly a feminist bastion); every night some disgruntled man kills/injures his partner/expartner (and sometimes the kids too). In my personal life nearly every single one of my female friends/aquaintances has been physically hit, assaulted, and or raped by a man. I am just an average suburban mum. This is reality, and it is an ugly one that men must face up to. Statistics mean nothing to you when you havent experienced them; most women have direct, painful experience of this. I point my broken finger at you, men. Grow up and accept responsibility for yourselves, your actions, your children. There is a new feminist movement building, and its not made of lesbians and academics this time; its us mums and we've had enough. The Mothers are coming, and we're pissed off.
Posted by subversity, Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:19:07 PM
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Sorry Snuffkin, seems like your contribution to the discussion is full of lies and exaggerations.

First lie/exaggeration: It is not every night that on TV news some man kill/injures his partner/expartner. Yes there are some fathers who when the law drives a wedge between them and their children, who loose it. You're obviously not so charitable mention that this is a common factor. You have to understand (probably too big an ask in your case) that the father/child bond is one can be immeasurably strong.

Second lie/exaggeration: “In my personal life nearly every single one of my female friends/aquaintances has been physically hit, assaulted, and or raped by a man. I am just an average suburban mum.” Sorry you’re not average since not every female is physically hit, assaulted, and or raped by a man – not by a long shot. Maybe it is something about you that puts you in violent surroundings.
Third lie/exaggeration: “This is reality”. It may be your reality but it is not my reality and I suggest it is not most men’s reality.

Yes, statistics mean a lot to mean to me, particularly the ones that show women are good at lying and exaggerating. It looks like you have a few serious character flaws. Your comment exudes resentment towards men. It seems you would not be a pleasant person to be with.

So there is a new feminist movement building – the pissed off mothers are coming. Bring em on!
Posted by Ros, Thursday, 23 June 2005 5:39:42 PM
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Seems to me, from the outrageously misogynist garbage that he posts here, that Ros is exactly the kind of bloke at whom current laws designed to protect women and children from male violence are aimed.

"Bring them on" indeed.

Tell us Ros, when were you most recently the subject of an AVO/RVO or similar? I won't be gobsmacked if it's recent or current.
Posted by garra, Friday, 24 June 2005 8:22:45 AM
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