Boaz, does equal opportunity for women make you feel like an aboriginal with a steel axe - emasculated? And that women "should also try to contribute to that which males lost in the process". What? Go back to being barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen - that would fix your self esteem? You feel powerless because women feel more in control of their lives?

Well, not all men as so tragic as you 'praise the lord' and can accept women as valid people with as much right to self determination as themselves. You are only revealing your own insecurities - I guess if you are an insecure male feeling in control over 50% of the population must have been a real boost to the old ego. Time to grow up boaz.

MorgonZola, Ringtail,

MorgonZola
Most of your postings have little to do with the topics, but you seem to have very similar characteristics to the author.

You rarely make anything but negative and maligning comment regards the male gender, and your comments are normally highly generalised, without substantiation, and without reference to any reliable research.

Please find me the links to feminist or male bashing text that is any different to these characteristics, and I might start and believe something you say.

Possum,
Your comments regards a male nurse are interesting. I have heard of a university in QLD that eventually was asked to show cause why it’s nursing course should remain accredited. The reason for this :- that course had very little nursing left in it, as most of it was taken up with “Women’s Studies”. It appears that if it was left to feminists, then medical science would become a mixture of biased research, lies, distorted information and Wicca, and we go backwards 500 years.

Looking very objectively at the situation, then I would think that the gender most in need of role models is the female gender. Looking at the media and culture of the female gender, then that gender appears very insecure and confused, as there are enormous numbers of females that appear very dependant upon women’s media such as women’s magazines and women’s TV, to learn about who they are. However women won’t find much truth in their media, as the vast majority of it is hoax or fiction.

But don’t believe me in this, borrow a copy of the book “Spin Sister” by Myrna Blyth (yes, written by a female author so its safe) and read all about it. Then find me a women’s magazine, women’s section in a newspaper, or women’s TV program that is anything different to how it is described in that book, and I will believe that the female gender is not in great need of better role models.

You can also describe why the male gender should begin to copy the female gender.

Ringtail...'CHOMP' (u know what that means by now :)

no, u totally misunderstand me. Its YOU who's mind is still in the worst aspects of our cultural heritage, not mine. I'm in that place u already know about. Scripture. I'll grant you one concession, the portrayal of men u describe IS definitely NOT what the scriptural picture is, so on that point u can beat it to death as much as u like, sorry though that it doesn't have much relationship to what I'm on about. So it might be a bit wasted.

It seems that you can ONLY see the "bad" side of any one elses position on this issue, I'm thinking you choose to do so. How many times have I said that a mans role is to 'give himself up for her as Christ gave himself up for the Church'. ! Does that sound like the type of man you describe in your 'straw man' that u continually resurrect just to beat the daylights out of everytime you are facing a glimmer of variance to your possy ?

Ringy I think you have missed a lot of the wistful expression of just what I've been referring to from guys on this forum. Lets be certain of one thing, its NOT about "us verses them". Its NOT about barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen per se. (they can have shoes :) It IS about cultural balance, and gender harmony. It IS about males and females being different, Perhaps these ideas are too lofty for u ?

The hilarious thing about the metrosexual exercise is that the gay men I know (including myself) are either complete slobs or fashion nightmares or both. Metrosexuality assumes that gay men out there are these fashion/culinary/interior decorating/culture experts and it would be really good if heterosexual men could just be like us - without giving up their sexuality. It is based on a seemingly flattering but completely wrong headed view of the lives of actual gay men.

Or to put it another way, the "Fab Five" would collectively pass out if they looked at the state of my kitchen floor. As for the pubs I go to, well, let's say they're not exactly the Ritz-Carlton. And my choice of entertainment is an AFL match - not La Traviata (GO THE SWANNIES!).

On a more serious note, "Queer Eye" has succeeded in stereotyping both gay and straight men for the purpose of flogging a lifestyle and products. People like Timkins have made this point and I agree. Wouldn't it be nice to have programs showing real life situations of friendships between actual gay and straight men? Maybe I should take my own advice and get off my bum and do something about that.

Go Saints! UR right on Davidjs, media stereotyping is making mugs out of us all. The cosmetics industry is hoping to cash in on male insecurity just as they do women's. Sad for us all. But healthy to talk about it - even if a few just use this forum to bang on about their own agendas. Anyway, must go and have my chest waxed.

Actually Timmy, if you could see past your obsession for a moment, you'd see that my first post in this thread was directly on topic. It was a light hearted personal anecdote that supported the author's point that women are more likely to appreciate men sharing stereotypically 'female' roles with women, than simply making 'cosmetic' changes in their appearance. It didn't need to be substantiated with references because I wrote it from personal experience.

Further, I think that the practice of deluging these comments forums with repetitive misogynist posts supported by numerous dodgy references, tends to detract somewhat from real debate. That's where my second post in this thread came from: you are clearly obsessed with women, and in a particularly unhealthy way. You need to own your own problems, mate, and stop shifting responsibility for your masculine failings onto 'feminism'. Have you tried professional counselling?

Have a happy day.

Morgan