Kelpie
if that comment about 'those most likely to hurt children' was mean't to draw attention to priests or orphanage workers and staff.. I would not disagree if the stats point to it. I would just point also to the fact that Christ condemned such behavior and u can draw your own conclusions about what went wrong in the heads and hearts of those guilty of such things.

Kelpie ... one more thing
you mentioned the sexual abuse of fathers against daughters etc and claimed this could be a justification of criminalizing heterosexual behavior.. ALmost a good point. You neglected to mention that no father or group of fathers that I know of is politically organizing to promote such an agenda. In fact..what u DID show is that we are a very sick society which has drifted far far from God. The best thing would be a complete resocialisation of ourselves along lines more acceptable to Him. Now that should raise a few voices.

Concerned Citizen, Before you get all haughty, read what I said (there wasn't much there). I said there wasn't much there that limited homosexual rights anymore than anywhere else.
The age of homosexual consent in Qld is 18, Tasmania and Sth Aust. it's 17. WA wants to make it 18, not much different.
You mentioned lesbians access to IVF. They currently don't have it in WA, so nothing will change. You mentioned access to family court for gay & lesbian couples will be stopped. They can't access it now so once again no difference.

My main point was Brians big headline and second paragraph in his article. There's a big difference to making homosexuality illegal and raising the age of consent for homosexual sex to 18 for God's sake!

By the way I don't have a problem with any infertile woman, whether lesbian or not, married or not, having access to IVF. But let's face facts: lesbians want access to IVF because they don't want to get pregnant the old fashioned way by a repulsive male. Fair enough, but if they also refuse to use a turkey baster then tough luck.

Bozzie

You are absolutely INCORRECT! Lesbians and single straight women CAN and DO access IVF in WA right now - and it's legal. Also, these women MUST be proven to be MEDICALLY infertile before being allowed to access IVF and to do this, they usually try artificial insemination either at home or in a clinic for a period of 1 year without success - same as a heterosexual couple - if they haven't conceived within 1 year, they are usually deemed to have infertility issues and can then access IVF.

And lesbian and gay couples DO currently have access to the Family Court in WA for relationship breakdown/child custody issues.

I'm not getting "haughty", it simply angers me that you are spreading untruths.

To correct Bozzie, the homosexual age of consent in Qld is not 18.

In fact it is 16 for all, however, it is 18 for anal intercourse. But this applies to gay and straight couples alike, and thus is based on sexual behaviour and not on sexual orientation. (Australian research has shown that at least 12% of heterosexual couples engage in anal intercourse).

Consent ages in other states are: WA 16, VIC 16, ACT 16, NSW 16, TAS 17, SA 17.

Just out of interest, in most western and eastern european countries it's 14 (as with Cananda), but in the UK it is 16 (but 17 in Northern Ireland). In the USA it's mostly 16, or 18 in some southern states - but there is no distinction between gay/straight consent ages where higher consent age occurs.

Kelpie
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Bozzie

I should have asked you that now you are aware that lesbians currently have access to IVF and gay and lesbian couples currently have access to the Family Court in WA...

do you think it's wrong of the Liberal Party to REMOVE these rights?