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WA Liberals will recriminalise homosexuality : Comments

By Brian Greig, published 2/2/2005

Brian Greig argues that if the Liberals win the WA election there will be a human rights roll back for gays.

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Brian Grieg has some nerve criticising the policies of the WA Liberals and those that object to the homosexual lifestyle. This is the man who, while a federal senator, organised his gay friends to package up bricks and send them to the reply paid address of the Australian Family Association making them incur thousands of dollars of postage. Thankfully AustPost waived the cost. Only a supremely pathetic human being would resort to such tortuous tactics.

In response to all those heterophobes who don't want the truth about the link between gay liefstyle and paedophilia to come out, there is lots and lots of evidence demonstrating this fact. This is not to say that all gays are paedophiles - just that their is a significant disproportionality. Here I will just cite the admissions and actions of homosexuals themselves:

The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of gay men and 2% of lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-17-year-olds, and 28% of gay men and 1% of lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-16-year-olds while they themselves were aged 18 or older. In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21. In The Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of age. Abel et al reported similarly that men who molested girls outside their family had averaged 20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each.

As early as 1972, a coalition of homosexual groups has sought the repeal of age of consent laws, arguing that children as young as 8 years have a right to decide whether they enter into a sexual relationship with an adult. Groups like the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which regularly march in Gay Pride parades, have gone on record as wanting paedophilia legalised: “NAMBLA takes the view that sex is good, that homosexuality is good not only for adults, but for young people as well. We support all consensual sexual relationships regardless of age. As long as the relationship is mutually pleasurable and no one’s rights are violated, sex should be no one else’s business.”

The paedophile connection is not confined to North America. For example, a Dutch social psychologist and pro-paedophilia lecturer describes in an article, “Paedophilia and the Gay Movement” how influential paedophiles have been in the gay movement in the Netherlands. In France, 129 convicted gays (average age 34 years) said they had had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an average of 85 different boys per man).

Australian researcher Andrew Lansdown surveyed 30 issues of the Gay Community News, from 1980 to 1983. He found that 16 issues carried one or more articles or news stories on paedophilia. Other Australian homosexual magazines also contain similar amounts of coverage on paedophilia. At a 1982 conference in Canberra for Lesbians and Homosexual Men, a workshop leader said, “Pedophiles will be free when kids are free and not before” and urged that the effort to undermine public resistance to paedophilia be continued. Dennis Altman, a homosexual and Reader in Politics at La Trobe University, also seems to endorse the behaviour, describing pederasty (male paedophilia) as among the “safest” of stigmatized forms of gay sexuality, one that “often amounts to no more than acts of mutual masturbation.”

The International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) has voted to expel NAMBLA from its membership, but it is a fair question to ask, however, why NAMBLA was granted membership in ILGA in the first place. Moreover, as jilted NAMBLA leaders were quick to point out, ILGA still contains dozens of member groups that support man/boy lovers or have paedophile or pederast subgroups.

And finally, Charles W. Socarides, clinical professor of psychiatry at Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center in New York writes:
"And, when homosexuality takes on all the aspects of a political movement, it, too, becomes a war, the kind of war in which the first casualty is truth, and the spoils turn out to be our own children. An exaggeration? Well, what are we to think when militant homosexuals seek to lower the age of consensual sexual intercourse between homosexual men and young boys to the age of 14 (as they did in Hawaii in 1993) or 16 (as they tried to do in England in 1994)? In the Washington March for Gay Pride in 1993, they chanted, “We’re here. We’re queer. And we’re coming after your children.”"

Parents, guard your kids from these kind of sexual predators.

Well done WA Liberals! Great to see you guys are looking out for children.

References:
P. H. Gebhard and A. B. Johnson, The Kinsey Data: Marginal Tabulations of the 1938-1963 Interviews Conducted by the Institute for Sex Research (New York: Saunders, 1979).
A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A study of the diversity among men and women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978).
K. Jay and A. Young, The Gay Report (New York: Summit, 1979).
G. G. Abel, “Self-reported sex crimes of nonincarcerated paraphiliacs” Journal of Interpersonal Violence 2 (1987) 3-25.
George Grant and Mark Horne, Legislating Immorality: The Homosexual Movement Comes Out of the Closet. (Chicago: Moody Press, 1993) 40, 42.
Roger Magnuson, Are Gay Rights Right? (Portland, Oregon: Multnomah Press, 1990) 14.
Judith Reisman and Edward Eichel, Kinsey, Sex and Fraud (Lafayette, Louisiana: Huntington House Books, 1990) 213.
T. O’Carroll, Paedophilia: the radical case (Boston: Alyson, 1982).
Andrew Lansdown, Blatant and Proud: Homosexuals on the Offensive (Cloverdale, Western Australia: Perceptive Publications, 1984) 100.
Dennis Altman, AIDS in the Mind of America (New York: Anchor Press/Doubleday, 1986) 144.
Lambda Report, Aug 1994, 12.

AK
Posted by Aslan, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 11:43:07 PM
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ASLAN !!!
that is exactly what I"ve been saying.. almost with the 'i's dotted and the 't's crossed and I have not come across any of that information. WELL DONE .. and

GILLY.. your input is also appreciated ! IT IS a culture war, and its about time individuals stopped being afraid of the 'homophobe' stigma and started living by principle again .. basically 'got some balls'.
And people had the gaul to criticise me because I made the connection between Nambla and the gay movement.. and spoke long and hard about moral relativity !
I think truth is beginning to make its mark here at last.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:12:13 AM
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God botherers, perhaps you should peruse the list of religious persons (priests, ministers, brothers, even nuns...) who have been charged and convicted of child molestation and abuse in Australia in the last half century. More than 500. And they're just the ones who were convicted. We all know how many get off because of lack of 'evidence' and the passage of time. Yet not one 'gay activist' has ever been charged or convicted of a similar crime. Who are the real perverts here?

As for your claims that 'homosexual' molestation of male children is out of proportion to that of female children, you might like to consider how much easier it is for male pillars of Christian society to get access to large numbers of boys than girls. If you read more widely and examined material that opposes as well as supports your opinions, you might come to more informed opinions. But no one should hold their breath.

Your excitement about setting the political agenda for the future is a tad premature. Family First managed about one per cent of the primary vote in the Federal Election. Nothing to get too preachy about. This isn't the US and the Bible Belt is more a garter.
Posted by Chunkeeboi, Thursday, 3 February 2005 1:56:46 AM
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Dear Chunkeeboi,

Thankyou very much for pointing out the "religious persons (priests, ministers, brothers, even nuns...) who have been charged and convicted of child molestation and abuse in Australia in the last half century." But one thing you forgot to mention is that nearly all of them were male and their victims were nearly always young boys. So thankyou for reinforcing my point. Unfortunately, the church has been used a convenient avenue for homosexual paedophiles to have easy access to kids. Scout Groups are another option - a male scout leader in SA was charged just yesterday with sexually assaulting and having sex with one of his scouts.

And BTW, it was the Family First Party in SA state parliament that proposed a bill to remove the statutory limitations which prevented victims of paedophilia taking criminal action against their molestors. The bill was passed unanimously.

AK
Posted by Aslan, Thursday, 3 February 2005 2:15:36 AM
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Oh and another thing Chunkeeboi,

You said: "If you read more widely and examined material that opposes as well as supports your opinions, you might come to more informed opinions." But I have merely cited the statements and actions of homosexuals themselves!

Who am I to tell homosexuals what they do and don't like? I'd prefer to let them speak for themselves. They have - and a disproportionate number of them have acknowledged that they like young boys. In the gay community, young boys are known as "chicken" and their predators are known as "chicken hawks".

AK
Posted by Aslan, Thursday, 3 February 2005 2:34:17 AM
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Kelpie wrote:

"The NAMBLA smear by Mr Boaz and Norm, shows how selective people can be in their condemnation of sexual oriention. And it shows a wilfull blindness when it comes to pointing fingers at those who are most likely to hurt children. "

I'd be more than happy to join you in condemning the foul and abhorrent abuse of women, girls and indeed boys in the pornography and child sex industries. In case you are worried, yes I am absolutely outraged by heterosexual abuses of which you are right to point out is a sad and contemptible reality of the human condition. Happy to smear straight crimes as well as any other abuses of human rights...
Posted by n0rm5kj, Thursday, 3 February 2005 7:21:45 AM
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