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Big man Beazley: solid, reliable, gutless : Comments
By Nick Ferrett, published 28/1/2005Nick Ferrett questions the reinstatement of Beazley as leader of the Labor Party.
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Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 31 January 2005 10:34:41 AM
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Grace,
These opinion polls were in newspaper and were taken during the last election. I can no longer find the articles on the web (as I would have to go through an enormous number of possible hits ) but there is an article on pork-barrelling and gender at http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/23/1095651464174.html?from=storylhs It could well be that Labor has forgotten about the male vote. Maybe the Liberals too and other parties because no major political party has policies for men (and by so doing it leaves out boys also) I think you should get your facts straight about my attitudes regards women. I am not anti-female but highly anti-feminist. The latest “waves” of feminism has basically produced what has been termed “dependency divas”. This has even been identified by feminists. see http://www.iwf.org/specialreports/specrpt_detail.asp?ArticleID=464 Through the media and general feminist propaganda, many women now believe that they are being victimised and oppressed, and governments have to give them money. Eventually they become dependant on these sources of money, and too dependant on government. They are not liberated at all, as they are now often dependant on government subsidies. That is where feminism has actually left many women, and it has not done women much good at all. A look back through a forum on IVF (probably starting at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=2957#1353 ) gives a ready example of what feminism has done to many women. It has taught women to use insinuation, dogma, mantra, etc, but not to solve problems. I was being called various things and a lot of insinuations were being made regards myself etc, etc, etc by a number of women) I then pointed out some of the problems involving IVF and adoption and asked them a number of times to provide possible solutions to these problems. After repeated attempts at this, no woman provided even one possible solution to even one problem involving IVF or adoption. Feminism has not taught women to solve problems. So, feminism (despite all its assertions that it has liberated women) has not made women in general into problem solvers, and has actually made many women dependant on government. If feminists started to think in terms of being "humanists" they might be taken more seriously and get somewhere. Of course there should be more governments that should be more humanistic also, but I don’t think feminists will make them that way, because there are no signs that feminists are at all democratic. I you want any further information on feminism, fell free to ask. I have made this offer to someone else, but they haven’t asked yet, although they have continued to make assertions regards myself, even though they do not know me. For all they know I may not be male, or even living in Australia. Posted by Timkins, Monday, 31 January 2005 11:06:02 AM
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Timkins
"Personally I don’t think it is a very healthy time for Australian politics, or for the country. Whenever a political party remains in power for too long, it either becomes corrupt in some way, or the government indirectly stagnates society. Things just become caught in a rut. Howard should not have won the last election, and this is a sign that there is little support for the opposition parties, and a sign that they are too weak. " I see little indication of corruption or stagnation or a rut with this government. Who should or should not win an election is a matter of counting the vote By counting the vote you will see the present government was returned with resounding confidence by the electorate, who emphasised that increased confidence by giving this government the senate. So your claim of "Mr Howard should not have won" is childish and churlish (and I guess from the sour grapes - you did not vote for the coalition). Maybe the blame for the lack of support for the opposition is because they are bereft of substance, divided among themselves and unable to find a buffoon with a course mouth and no interpersonal skills to lead them in the election (and still struggling with the recycled today). Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 31 January 2005 12:13:20 PM
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Timithy, you say, "These opinion polls were in newspaper and were taken during the last election. I can no longer find the articles on the web...".
Well Timithy, I read the newspapers during the last election and I do not recall any polling showing an astonishing 50% gender difference in voting ALP. You cannot find your sources on the web because they do not exist. You are telling lies Timithy. Posted by grace pettigrew, Monday, 31 January 2005 12:33:20 PM
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Hi Col,
I think you left out a bit. I also said that if there was an alternative for not voting for any of the main political parties, then I think this would have been the main choice for most people (or at least I tried to say this, but I could be just a "mere male" who is not supposed to critise feminism) History continuously shows that the longer a party is in power, the more likely it is to become corrupt or less efficient over time. That party stagnates, and it indirectly stagnates the country as well. (The old communist party in Russia is a prime example.) I think the author of the article even identifies Howard as being a prime-minister who should not really been in power at present, "if we had a better opposition". Posted by Timkins, Monday, 31 January 2005 12:35:38 PM
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Grace,
I've used a different search criteria in the search engine and found some more results (although there are 49,000 possible hits even with this criteria) http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/20/1090089159354.html This shows the results from one poll where male support for Labor was falling quickly during the election. I can remember seeing other poll results where it was even lower. Below is another article that shows how parties aim there policies at one gender http://www.smh.com.au/news/Anne-Summers/Labor-brings-women-in-from-the-cold/2004/07/20/1090089156920.html Unfortunately I think Labor has lost too much of the male vote now to get into power without redefining it's policies considerably. I do not care for your accusations regards myself. I have previously mentioned another forum on IVF. There are important issues on IVF and adoption. If you would like to give possible solutions to the problems involving IVF and adoption in that forum then you are more than welcome, because I would like to hear of them (but please leave out name calling or insinuations regards myself) Posted by Timkins, Monday, 31 January 2005 1:03:41 PM
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u haven't accused me of 'anti women' bias yet ? I thought I would qualify for that :) my remarks are usually 'construed' that way.
By the way, have u read the 'feminist' interpretation of the Abaham sacrificing Isaac story ?.. I found it hilarious.
BOAZ