Nick, my last post was not in the nature of a tirade against Howard. It was in response to an earlier post from BOAZ, if you care to check back on the thread.

Grace, I was actually referring to the first comment (the one submitted by numbat).

Nick, Personally I don’t think it is a very healthy time for Australian politics, or for the country. Whenever a political party remains in power for too long, it either becomes corrupt in some way, or the government indirectly stagnates society. Things just become caught in a rut.

Howard should not have won the last election, and this is a sign that there is little support for the opposition parties, and a sign that they are too weak.

In the case of the Labor party, it has systematically lost support from the traditional worker, unionist or employee. A review of the male / female voting patterns shows that the Labor party is systematically loosing the male vote. A party cannot win an election based on a certain section of the female vote alone. This is what has happened to the Democrats.

Overall, if there was a little box at the bottom of the ballot paper saying “none of the above”, it would receive the primary vote.

I'm constantly amazed how lefties like Grace, focus on the high moral ground as if it were the ultimate truth.You need to look at the total picture in the performance of any leader.Even Hitler did a lot of good for the German people.With an extra testicle he may not have developed an inferiority complex that pushed him over the edge.John Howard has brought us the longest period of growth in 30yrs.We should have had another recession in 2001.Against all the odds of recessions in the US and Europe we continued to prosper.This was no accident.It was good responsible Govt.Spending on social security has far out stripped anything Labor could have achieved in their wildest dreams.Without wealth there,is no money for charity or,social security,or time for lefties to rail against the very system that sustains them.You look at the long history of the performance of the Labor Party.Gough spent like a drunken sailor and Keating brought us to the brink of a"Banana Republic."

We in the business community are sick of the Labor Party using us as cannon fodder for their hair brained, weak kneed,lilly livered indulgences that appeal to our weaknesses,rather than our courage to achieve.

TIMKINS
That observation about losing the male vote is quite interesting.
I'd love to see some research as to 'why'.
I have my own theories, one of them being Labor tends to support 'feminist/leftist' views which tend to devalue males increasingly but it is more of a 'reaction' as I see it than an emotionaly neutral advance. I dont have any idea really, just a wild guess in response to something I was not aware of b4.
BOAZ

ARJAY
U better hide from Col Rouge my goodness.. u not only said a whole lot of TRUTH there, u said it so passionately that it was almost a good sermon :) but if u want a real good sermon u HAVE to watch Bishop TD Jakes on foxtel christian chanel around 3.00pm on Saturdays.
He's black.. and uses phrases like "If ur busted broke and disgusted....." etc.. he's red hot. (seems highly regarded also)

Labor has certainly lost its way... Kim is great, Rudd also, the rest.. not worth the effort of a fly swatter. And Grace.. high moral ground ? when she defends some of the things she does, I seriously question that, but I've yet to ask her directly about some things she seems to be espousing.
BOAZ