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The paternal state - politician sperm donors? No thanks! : Comments
By Melinda Tankard Reist, published 24/1/2005Melinda Tankard Reist examines Gab Kovac's plan to get politicians to donate sperm.
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Posted by Timkins, Saturday, 29 January 2005 7:46:56 PM
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Timkins.. DARE I SAY IT ? :) "Unanticipated social and cultural consequences of change"
I dont think I could have put it better than you..stacks up well. I was not aware of those things. But in a capitalistic society where the only criteria for 'can we do this or that' is.. "is it legal" rather than ethical or moral, such things are inevitable. Not to suggest we need a 'socialist' society, they would make it worse :) I'm all for an 'ethical and moral' society based on the Love of God and neighbour, which doesn't have to be a Theocracy. but then again.. I'm a "religious zealot" and I should be cloistered away so I dont infect 'balanced and educated' people with my views... according to another contributor in a different topic. :) I can see that contributor keeping me locked in a damp basement, feeding me a few times a week.. and never letting the rellies know I exist .. BOAZ Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 29 January 2005 8:19:42 PM
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Boaz,
The following links might be helpful in getting some background info on IVF, sperm and egg donors etc. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/18/1071337091483.html?from=storyrhs http://www.uwa.edu.au/media/statements/2002/03/birth_defects_double_in_ivf_babies_(7_march) http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11907794%255E23289,00.html http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/178_06_170303/jan10067_fm.html There was an article in the Bulletin magazine some months ago which described meetings between children and their donor parents. I haven’t the time to find relevant sources on the net, but if you investigate the technology of IVF, and try and determine where it is going, I think you will find it disquieting to say the least. Posted by Timkins, Saturday, 29 January 2005 9:41:05 PM
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Thanx Timkins :)
boaz Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 30 January 2005 12:09:16 AM
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Dear Timkins,
You don't have to be anti-man/male/masculine to be pro-feminist/woman. Have been reading quite a few of your posts lately and I am intrigued that you should know so much about women and femnists and all these other things that affect the interaction between men and women (oh never mind the fact that all women are not the same and all feminists are not the same either!). Your main argument seems to be that (a) "feminism" (but not feminity whatever that is) is bad and to blame for many of society's ills (b)evil has entered the minds of a few terrible women and they are now trying to inffect all women, including some younger women (in high school no less) and (c)feminists hate men and will do anything to discredit them. In summary, feminism is "a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians" right? Please correct me if I am wrong about the views you have so far posted. I know you have read a lot (somewhat selectively I might add), but you seem to have difficulty grasping that feminism is not about casting women as victims, but about casting women as being empowered so that they are able to make their own choice with their lives and yes, even their *gasp* reproductive capacity. It seems to be the only person crying victim here is yourself on behalf of men. If you would like to discuss male villification, why don't you bring up issues of gay men in the workplace or gay men and identity in AUstralia, or just men and their search for meaning on online opinion websites?? or the crisis facing middle age men who find themselves 'unemployable' because job markets are structured in such a way so that employers prefer young men and women. I am not going to bore everyone with stats on how women continue to be marginalised in society (and women who may not speak english, or are a different colour, wear a headscarf, are lesbian etc more so than others) - not that it is boring, but I wanted to leave this shortish...I do want to leave you with this thought...Mary Wollstonecraft an early western feminist wrote that "I do not wish them to have power over men, but over themselves". That is what it's about Timkins. Good luck to you Posted by simone, Monday, 31 January 2005 1:03:13 PM
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For BOAZ_David don't put words in my mouth the ones coming out of yours are bad enough. Timmy I think you should seek professional help to work through these issue's you have. David just put the bible down step away turn your back and you'll be one the road to enlightenment.
Posted by Kenny, Monday, 31 January 2005 1:24:53 PM
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The idea by Melinda that all problems will be solved "if only" those pesky male sperm donors would just identify themselves, is just looking at one problem in the many problems involving IVF technology.
Women are coming to Australia from other countries for IVF treatment, and sperm and eggs are being imported and exported between countries. An IVF clinic in Australia has been trying to entice males to come from Canada to donate sperm in Australia. Meanwhile IVF clinics in the UK are trying to entice women from Australia to go to the UK to donate eggs. What all this means is that a child born from IVF can have its donor parent somewhere in a totally different country, so knowing their identity won’t mean much at all.
A donor can also have many children, so that donor will not have much bonding with those children even if one child does meet them.
The problems are many, and I see feminism as being of no real use in helping solve these problems. There have been people in this forum who have been very protective of feminism, but have not offered any solutions to any problem. That has been found to be highly typical of feminism. Big on mantra, small on constructive solutions to problems.