Yep that about sums up these people dumb as an ox.
but that idea could have some weight behund it but dont just inform police also inform some of the people who were at the riots wham instant victory to the anglos as these lebanese people would bring like 50 guys to make sure one dosen't get hurt so you bring about the same amount and let human nature do its thing problem solvered.

Sounds interesting.

I have another thought which I'd like to explore one day.

Re-enact the attack at Maroubra, with actors. This time though the 'Steve' character is highly trained and knows how to deal with that first attacker and then use his limp body as a shield against the others. The resulting video could be circulated among those who have passionate feelings about self defense against repeat episodes.

I've passed the attack video out to a number of my friends at our gym to get their feedback.

I approached one skilled friend acting as if I had a baseball bat, and he took the que and responded with a beautiful side kick which, if delivered seriously would have disabled me b4 my 'waddy' hit him.

If you have any friends in the Cronulla/Maroubra area, please pass out my email and invite them to dialogue on the matter of self defense and/or regional defense teams.

I take your point about them bringing all the 'rellies' and extended ethnic networks/associates/gang members with them.. this always needs to be considered when ambarking on any activism.

One thing I'm wondering, is why the police haven't threatened with jail the one dude the KNOW who was in the middle of that attack (The one at the end who urged them to stop killing Steve).. he MUST know at least 4-5 others who went because they came in a car,and I'll bet he knows who was in the car WITH him on the way..
I cannot imagine either that he tagged along to STOP the violence.. he must have been intent on malicious damage as well but baulked at murder.

cheers

Yeah thats true he would have had unpure intentions to go in the first place. if they bring there gang homies one call can get some of the former shire boyz down there and i can guarantee that they would be quite keen on blood to be spilt. so it is a good possibility that it would finish there. either that or more revenge attacks in which the Bra Boys would have to defend people like steve and others like him again and another riot might even start which is not good.

will be interested to hear your thoughts.

cheers

Jkid.. my thoughts are as follows:

It would be in the interests of the locals of Cronulla and all beach suburbs to
1/ form networks of communication, so that as u say, one phone call can be sent to a couple of people who can do the same to a few more etc.
2/ Groups drawn from gyms and sporting clubs could be included.
3/ Self defense training should be done on
a) The Philosophy (i.e. not about race hate, but defense against thuggery)
b) The skills (these should be taught by those with a practical knowledge of street fighting not some Sensei who is out to make money)

c) The legal side (The technical nature of self defense and where the line between self defense and 'affray/riot' is crossed)

4/ An exercise or 3 should be done to test the comms skills and logistics of it.

5/ Some intelligence gethering capability would be advisable also.

Quite important to know what is happening early to allow for preventive measures. Natually the first measure is to alert police to anything of concern, but I would not hold my hopes up that they can do much in such a short time. They seemed to arrive after the fact to pick up the pieces during Cronulla.

Genghis Khan had a few clues. He insisted that each province or village have 1000 men in continual training and on standby for call up as needed. If each major suburb had 50- 100 guys..
Cronulla, Brighton Le sands, Bondi, Maroubra Manly etc etc..

All they would need is a code word and a location by sms to indicate what is happening and where.

That would work as a self defence measure but who to lead this crew? everyone there needs to know how to fight but also need to be cool calm and calculated. because if not my personal experience has taught me that psychos go to far and end up hurting people that dont need to so we need to make sure the people are there for the right reasons not to just hurt people but to help each other in case of more attacks. thats it not attacking or we would be as low as them. the idea of having guys everywhere is ok but a bit hard as the core group of people would have to be the best and just send msgs to all there mates it would work but it would cause a riot.

Exactly !

careful screening of attitudes would be crucial.
Some unsavory people might see such a thing as an opportunity to be in a 'gang' of their own.

Nothing of this kind could be either right or effective if such elements were allowed to be a part of it.

There was a Cronulla businessman who came up with some rather 'colorful' ideas about blocking off the main entry/exit points to Cronulla, but it was a bit over the top and knee jerk.

I don't know what approach would work. But I think it would have to be along personal network lines to ensure people knew how others were thinking.

Alternatively, one could form a mini constitution outlining the foundation points, such as no racial overtones, or superiority aspects.
If it was racial there would be the problem of 'lets get em' like the morons did at Cronulla (the fringe ones I mean) where anyone of a particular appearance was 'got'. In the Lebanese community there are wonderful people, and there is also Christian and Muslim. We know from which segment most of the trouble came as per the public record.

When foundation principles are established, a letter box drop advertizing a public meeting could be done to see if any response.
Leadership would be best from those with a good track record, possibly even with military background.

In a way, it could be done along lines of the Emergency Services, which indeed it would be. But the key points would be rapid response and good communication, strong discipline.

Cheers