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Media savages Lebanese-Australian Youth : Comments

By Paul White, published 15/9/2004

Dr Paul White argues that the media is not giving Sydney's Lebanese communinity a 'fair go'.

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VRM... I feel it is important to point out that you have little to worry about.
I don't see many people tarring ALL Lebs with the same brush. I certainly don't. While I was in Sydney some time back I met both kinds. At the swimming pool in Bankstown area, I came across a young lebanese boy who was the epitomy of niceness, chatting with his dad later also, it was clear that they are like you. Well adjusted, friendly and well mannered. No argument there.
Then, when walking around outside, I noticed some of the 'other' kind, the haircuts, the dirty looks at me... its mixed.

If you have integrated, that's wonderful. I'm curious, are you Muslim or Christian background?
It's much easier for a Christian b'ground to assimilate, and harder for a Muslim, but not impossible.

My criteria for acceptance of Muslims is that they support our government and laws. Do not call for Sharia law, or try to marry polygamously on the sly. There are some verses in the Quran which I would prefer them to outright denounce, but for them this might be hard.
Surah 9:30 is one, 23:5-6 is another. 9:30 calls down divine destruction on ME and all like me (Christians) and all Jews, based on our core beliefs. This is a serious issue.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 17 June 2007 7:04:28 PM
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Great comment Boaz_David. I think many have a bad feeling about Islam which is hard for lote of people to articulate. You are hitting the nail on the head when you say that anybody living in Australia must obey Australian Law only. Also there should be an intellectual discourse on Islam without Muslims frothing at the mouth and calling for blood when the prophet is criticised. These reactions across the globe to anyone who questions the prophet cannot deem Islam a peaceful religion. Hirsi Ali who recently visited Australia is a good case point...she needed protection 24/7 for daring to critcise Islam. If it is such a peaceful religion as we are continually told, then let Muslims explain how those passages in the Koran are interpreted which advocate violence and label Christians and Jews as inferior. We need a Government enquiry into Islam. It needs to be explained and analysed and criticised. Muslims it appears have a well developed sense of playing "victims". When are they ever going to grt over the crusades?
Posted by Anniel, Monday, 18 June 2007 7:46:55 PM
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To realize just now sinister groups like Hizb Ut Tahrir are, one only needs to look at their constitution.

Aniel, that nail just received another heavy whack from you post :)
well said:

I encourage you to support a growing world wide, and Australian movement, of raising public awareness about the dark side of Islam, and recommend this website as a starting point.

http://www.islammonitor.org

They have Melbourne and Sydney groups, and will participate in public events as mentioned above. We went to the directions hearing for the Catch the Fire case, and received a mention in the Media.
It is single issue.. "awareness about Islam" and supporters include Jews, Atheists and Christians.

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.info/english/constitution.htm

Article 179
Political manoeuvres are necessary in foreign policy, and the effectiveness of these manoeuvres is dependent on concealing (your) aims and disclosing (your) acts.
 
Article 180
Some of the most important political means are disclosing the crimes of other states, demonstrating the danger of erroneous politics, exposing harmful conspiracies and destroying misleading personalities.

Article 7 on Apostasy reads

c. Those who are guilty of apostasy (murtadd) from Islam are to be executed according to the rule of apostasy, provided they have by themselves renounced Islam.

The goal of islammonitor.org is to actually FULFILL the stated goals of Hizb, but reversed. They say you have to be sneaky and expose the deficiencies in outsiders views. Well.. I suggest we be OPEN and quite honest, in doing the same thing about them.

We must be fully aware..that Hizb is a cancer in this country, which if ever successful is hereby advocating EXECUTION of any person who decides by their own free will to depart from Islam for a different (and better) religious choice.

So, Hizb by constitution is in reality advocating violence and murder of Muslims who turn away.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 10:39:00 AM
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I don't think VRM is afraid.Assumptions are the point of his comment.The origins of the word 'sinister' are of focus here too!
What am I on? The last time I considered this it was two legs and the planet Earth.Mineral,vegetable and finally human!Thats all we are.To judge ones politics is to judge ones common thought.An arrogance we grant ourselves until we are ourselves are judged.Then it is not fair.
What am I on,or VRM for that matter?Question my politics not me,come on then!I too circle the odd mosque but not to challenge,merely admire the architecture and know its origens.
Posted by orlando, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 11:40:40 PM
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