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Decline in feminism? The backlash myth : Comments

By Paul Norton, published 19/8/2005

Paul Norton argues there is no evidence to support popular claims that Australians are becoming more conservative.

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BOAZ David

Did I say that? I don't recall it, but it does sound like me. No offense meant. It is a phrase that I use in jest.

I don't very often agree with you but I will defend your right to your opinions. Even so, I always appreciate the sincerity, time and effort that you put in to your posts.

Cheers
Kay
Posted by kalweb, Sunday, 28 August 2005 5:40:28 PM
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Being a Bloke is Best
1. My odds of being hired for a job, against female applicants, are skewed in my favour.
2. If I fail in my job or career, this won't be seen as a black mark against my entire sex's capabilities.
3. The odds of my encountering sexual harassment on the job are low.
4. If I do the same task as a woman, chances are people will think I did a better job.
5. If I stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are very low.
6. I do not fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces.
7. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be questioned.
8. If I have children but do not provide primary care for them, my masculinity will not be questioned.
9. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I'll be praised for extraordinary parenting.
10. If I have children and pursue a career, no one will think I'm selfish for not staying at home.
11. Chances are my elected representatives are male.
12. I can be mostly sure that if I ask to see "the person in charge," I will face a person of my own sex.
13. As a child, I could choose from an infinite variety of children's media featuring positive, active, heroes of my own sex.
14. I can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of my own sex widely represented, every day.
15. If I'm careless with my financial affairs it won't be attributed to my sex.
16. If I'm careless with my driving it won't be attributed to my sex.
17. I can speak in public to a large group without putting my sex on trial.
18. If I have sex with a lot of people, it won't make me an object of contempt or derision.
19. It’s possible for me to choose clothing that doesn't send any particular message to the world. I won’t be accused of dressing like a slut.
Posted by Ambo, Monday, 29 August 2005 11:04:39 AM
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20. If I buy a new car, chances are I'll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car.
21. If I'm not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.
22. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch.
23. I can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called "crime" and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually seen as special interest.)
24. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. "All men are created equal…," mailman, chairman, he.
25. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.
26. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don't change my name.
27. The decision to hire me will never be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family.
28. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of my own sex.
29. Most major religions argue that I should be the head of my household.
30. If I have a wife or girlfriend, chances are we'll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labour.
31. If I have children with a wife or girlfriend, chances are she'll do most of the childrearing. If one of us needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are the career sacrificed will be hers.
32. Virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are much rarer.
33. I am not considered a failure if overweight.
34. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege.

Thanks B Deustch
Posted by Ambo, Monday, 29 August 2005 11:07:07 AM
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Ambo,
What a brilliant summary, particularly the last line.
In the end, we will all benefit from feminism, because it allows us all to stop living up to a stereotype of what a "man" should be and what a "woman" should be, and become what a "human" should be. Men may live longer if the pressure to be an unemotional breadwinner is removed and women may suffer less from depression if the pressure to be a self sacrificing home maker is removed, and people can choose for themselves.
And, I very much agree that women are no better than men and can and do behave badly, but, they are no worse either. I can understand the hurt and bitter feelings of men who have married or partnered badly, just as I can understand the hurt and bitter feelings of women who have done the same. We're so much more alike than we are different, and have caused such misery to one another, largely thanks to all religions, as you point out, Ambo, by emphasising our differences rather than our similarities. I want my daughters to have just as many opportunities to be the people they want to be as anyone's sons. Seems entirely reasonable to me that they should. And if the family can only survive by restricting women's choices in life then there is something seriously wrong with the family, and we need to think how to create families that benefit and encourage all their members.
Posted by enaj, Monday, 29 August 2005 12:17:31 PM
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Ambo,
Would making maligning, half-truth statement about the male gender be representative of “feminism”?

Also still waiting for you prove that you are not an Ambulance Officer on duty. Maybe you should join the Sex Discrimination Commission, but it doesn't employ males.

Enaj,
Still waiting on a tangible definition of feminism, and a detailed list of "progressive" feminist policies (without rhetoric, as I can get that from many sources).
Posted by Timkins, Monday, 29 August 2005 5:14:27 PM
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Ambo,

I too am waiting for you to prove you are an ambulance officer.

Similarly, I am waiting for 'abloke' to prove he's a bloke, 'aussie2' to prove his/her Australian citizenship, 'Author' to send us a complete bibliography, and 'Black Man' to send us a photo proving his ethnicity.

I would like to see a birth certificate for 'bushbred', and I hope very much that 'FromAmerica' will be presenting us with a passport, or some other kind of ID. I would also like to see 'Engineer' send us a scan of his Australian Institute of Engineers membership card, And 'drunkwombat955' probably ought to provide us with a blood sample.

To be fair, 'fireman' ought to also give us his operating number, and 'mediaman' should immediately divulge full details of his employer. Captain Moonlite will give us his boat license number, and landlubber would be unwise to withhold his address any longer.

I also require some kind of solid evidence that 'solarboy' is not accessing this site while connected to a conventional electricity grid, and I would be very much pleased if 'The alchemist' would tell us how to make gold from the other elements (or immediately change his nickname). 'musicmaster' will kindly show proof of his/her Masters (or higher) degree in music, and 'FunnyBones' is to supply a certificate of funny at once.

Finally, I require irrefutable proof that 'Neohuman' is a human, and not a chimpanzee.
Posted by Tom Carroll, Monday, 29 August 2005 6:17:05 PM
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