"Women like the simpler things in life -- like men." Graffiti.

What does that mean girls - I don't get it?

More graffiti: "God was a woman," to which some wag has added, "Until she changed her mind."

Gotta get back in the kitchen now.

Trinity,
I thought I had answered Robert’s questions. To be highly specific.

“equal pay for equal work?”
Women already get equal pay for equal work, but men generally earn more overall because they do types of work that women don't prefer.

EG:-
“Men work longer hours at more dangerous and disagreeable jobs. They more readily accept night shifts, hardship postings to Alaska and entrepreneurial risks. Men get in-demand degrees in engineering, while women get degrees in French literature. Female librarians earn less than garbagemen, not because of discrimination, but because so many applicants compete for the safe, clean, comfortable, convenient, fulfilling jobs women prefer.”
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0814472109/102-5212955-8863319?v=glance

“same rights under law as men”
Women get increased rights in law than men, with a woman more likely to get a less severe sentence than a man for exactly the same offence. Many men have also found enormous bias against them in areas such as Family Law, ability to get legal aid etc.

“same opportunities based on their ability”
Feminists in various countries are trying to bring in quota systems so women can attain positions based primarily on their gender, not their abilities. This has been achieved in some countries, and has been proposed here also.

What is the difference between a male and female politician?
Very little, but in the past many male politicians have been easily lead by feminists propaganda, although feminists in countries such as Sweden are now being shown the door if they continue with their male vilification. I also think that many female politicians cannot adequately formulate policy, but rely heavily on male vilification, biased research, brainwashing and mantra terms such as “patriarchy”. Apart from that they cannot seem to do much else, even when given every opportunity.(eg the latest feminist “non-patriarchal” party, the Feminist Initiative party in Sweden).

The Alchemist,
I would think unsubstantiated terms such as “religious nutters” can be regarded as flaming. Do feminists rely heavily on flaming, name calling, demonisation, vilification etc.? All available evidence in this country and elsewhere would suggest that they most definitely do.

BD,
“…assigning roles..”?

“feminazi”?

..”is equality really the agenda?...”

You reveal more of who you are each post.

I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you missed my post and the questions I asked you regarding women. But since you have been back and made further comments, I will ask again that you answer the simple questions I have posed.

Fortunately I think plenty of men are comfortable with their equality (or the drive to find it) with women and will provide a good role model for future generations.

I think that alchemist and Trinity have the right perspective. I do believe that most people want equality, irrespective of gender.

Timkins,
Could you please explain why you have such an attitude towards women? I am only curious.

Reason,
Thankyou for your unsubstantiated assumption (eg “you have such an attitude towards women?”) What unsubstantiated assumptions would you like to be made about you?

It must be handy to be a feminist:- “If you criticise me, you are anti-female”.
Hitler had a similar philosophy:- “If you criticise me, you are unpatriotic”.

Hitler used a Dr Joseph Goebbels, who was the Minister for Propaganda and National Enlightenment.

Consider the following:-

“Mentioned idea of a dancing class to P. He said he'd consider it, but would prefer if I'd call him by his full name now that we're living together. Honestly! Men. They're always pushing for more.”

“Why break his spirit now, there’s plenty of time for that after he’s married”

“but research shows that guys who make women laugh and let's face it, isn't that all of `em”

“There were no males in our family, except my Dad and the dog, and over the years my mother had both of them fixed.”

The above is typically poured out on a weekly basis in a national newspaper, by someone who describes herself as being a feminist academic attached to a University, and whose books were recommended by Pru Goward, the current Sex Discrimination Commissioner, during a speech to the Commonwealth Heads Senior Executive.

So why should anyone take the “ism” called feminism seriously, or think of feminism as being somehow “progressive”, when so many so called highly educated feminists can only malign, demonise and vilify males, or come up with policies such as a “man tax” (i.e. a special tax to be placed on men, because they are male).

Reason,
thanx again for showing the poor arrangement of my rather sloppy post ... let me explain

"Is equality the agenda" .. meaning.. I observe history and people, and I notice that seldom do the 'stop'.... at equality. i.e. the Feminzi's (as opposed to the women who just want a better deal and equality) are more likely to drag up this or that.. to achieve ASCENDENCY.. rather than equality per se.

I referred to the Abraham story for a very good reason. When such roots of our culture at attacked as showing 'the gender power roles' you know there is more afoot.

"Assigned roles" Yep.. I feel our gender determines 'complementary' roles.. how many times have I said this and still it passes over heads :) Girls are not suitable for front line hand to hand combat.... because they are weaker than men physically. So.... we guys spill our guts, while the girls facilitate us in supporting roles.

-Women and leading.

Combat is my main exclusion for them leading.
I don't feel real comfy with a female leading men in many areas actually. Seems unnatural to me. Notable exceptions 'Deborah' in the Old Testament. Joan of Ark. etc.

-Women in equal partnership with men.

In a business sense.. of course. In marraige, under the frame work of the biblical pattern.

-Men mind the house/Women support the family.

I feel it is unnatural, but sometimes neccessary. I think most men would experience depression after a while at that game. (not all)
You have to work as a team in marraige.. and often u depend on the other to get you through a hard patch.

KAY... why do I make u so mad as to strangle me sometimes ? :)

BD >>I don't feel real comfy with a female leading men in many areas actually.<<

Finally some honesty from you - you really don't see women as equals if you don't like the idea of a female boss. You really are from the dark ages with lines like
>>Men mind the house/Women support the family<<

Many men are very good at supporting families, many women do very well in business and are a dab hand at changing fuses, clearing the guttering and putting out the garbage - if thats what U mean by minding the house. Like many men who are threatened by equality you simply want to maintain the power base as it is now and you shamelessly use the bible to justify trad roles for men and women.

Timkins - Now you're linking feminism to Nazism? You really are desperate aren't U? BTW for every 'anti-male' quote there a myriad anti-female

Warning the following may either be offensive or hilarious depending on who you are….

'keep her barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen'

‘all cats are grey in the dark’

‘Q. Why did God give men penises?
A. So we'd have at least one way to shut a woman up.’

Q. What's it called when a woman is paralyzed from the waist down?
A. Marriage.

Q. Why are hangovers better than a woman?
A. Hangovers will go away.

Q. What's the difference between a woman with PMT and a pitbull?
A. Lipstick.

Q. Why is a woman like a dog turd?
A. The older it is, the easier it is to pick up.

The list is endless - I just wanted to underscore Timkins' puerile attempt to once again denigrate women.