An imposed from without and unwanted solution, is not the answer.

If the Palestinians were consulted and asked if they wanted HKOP. And if after due consideration and widespread consultation, it could be put to a vote? It may be worth looking at?

You steal their land, homes and business in an illegal land grab. And then you want to ratify that land grab with HKOP?

I can't blame a subjugated peoples for looking at this "proposal" with extreme suspicion.
Alan B.

The Singer article is on the money. This really is the only option available to resolve the running sore that is the Palestinian grievances.

The problem is that it isn't currently viable. While ever the Palestinians and their allies think that they can win it all from the river to the sea, they will resist any compromise that gives them less than that. Despite what is happening in Gaza just now, they continue to hold hope of final victory on their terms ie all Jews in the Levant either killed of expelled.

When the Abraham Accords were close to fulfillment, there was a chance the Palestinian leadership would finally be bought to reality by having the Saudis et al make plain their withdrawal of support for the jihad against the Jewish Homeland. But the Biden regime killed the Abraham Accords and until they are revived by less ideological minds, they will remain on the back-burner.

So by all means, the HKOPS should remain on the table awaiting a time when the Palestinian leadership finally realises it must accept a Jewish state in the Levant. But who knows when that'll be.

I can only respond in this way.

To have a worthwhile goal is laudable?
To plan carefully to reach that goal is laudable?
But, the attitude of those fighting this 'war' is wrong?
By that I mean the leaders driving this conflict.
Instinct leads them to fixate on an unrealistic end.
They become like a dog with a bone.
They won't listen to reason.
They could stop if they wanted to, but instinct drives them on.

Wanting peace is one thing.
Working towards it is desirable.
But look around you.
In practice, war is continual on this planet.
And a major change of mind is not likely in the present situation?
However, there MUST to be major change by at least one of the 'combatants'.
One side needs to lead by reason, instead of being mired in senseless conflict?

Jewish people were unfairly persecuted during the second world war.
They garnered lots of 'brownie points' because of that?
In my humble opinion, they are using them up fast.
If they want to change this dramatic trend, they need to lead instead of thrashing around in a charnel house.
Stop the fighting, and work towards a compromise solution.
Use reason, and accept the result of reasoned discussion.
There are children dying out there.
It is time to step back and think about this?
Whatever has happened in the past, more killing won't make the anything better in the future?

Dear Mhaze,

«When the Abraham Accords were close to fulfillment, there was a chance the Palestinian leadership would finally be bought to reality by having the Saudis et al make plain their withdrawal of support for the jihad against the Jewish Homeland.»

The Palestinian leadership brought to reality?
What possible interest have they in that?
So what if they are unable to rout out "the Jews"?
Let me whisper in your ear that they don't even want to!
Should "the Jews" be eliminated, how could they sustain the perpetual state of war
and keep their "Palestinian" people subjugated?

I saw today an article about the unbelievable lavish lifestyle of Hamas leaders and their families. Unfortunately I could not yet find the English equivalent of http://www.ynet.co.il/economy/article/yokra13724118
The article describes how while Gazans are starving, their leaders overseas are busy with car-races and parties and buy palaces in Malaysia with multi-millions stolen Iranian money intended for the "Palestinian" people.

From that article, here is a suitcase with 5 million shekels (over 2 million Australian dollars) discovered by the IDF in the Gazan house of one of Ismail Hanieh's sons: http://ynet-pic1.yit.co.il/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto/picserver5/crop_images/2023/12/19/BJlO7EO1D6/BJlO7EO1D6_0_481_1063_1595_0_x-large.jpg
That suitcase also contains receipts for jewellery purchased for $1,000s, an average of a Gazan 2-year average salary per piece.

While most of the world concentrates on Israel and "the Jews", be it for or against them, Arabs have other issues on their mind, including their various internal feuds.

HKOPS seems to have been born by one of these Arab internal feuds and its author incidentally uses the "Israel-Palestinian war" just as a pretext for destroying his hated Hashemite kingdom of Jordan (by flooding it with hostile "Palestinians"). Why destroy Jordan? well it could even be an internal family feud: could even King Abdullah's ambitious half-brother, Hamzah, be behind it?

#Indyvidual

Problem is the two-state solution has produced no outcome for at least 20 years. Keep banging your head against a brick wall for it to happen if that is your wish.

The Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution offers a new approach:
"The Palestinian problem can only be solved today if it is redefined. The issue in this day and age for people should be not so much the ownership of ancestral land but more the critical need to have a legal identity—a globally respected citizenship that allows a person to operate in the modern world." Too difficult for you to get your sore head around?

HKOP offers citizenship and an end to statelessness for Gazan and West Bank Arabs. You obviously prefer them to remain stateless and under Israeli occupation - rather than citizens of HKOP.

Enjoy bashing whatever brain you have left.

#Alan B
The leader of your "subjugated peoples" - Mahmoud Abbas - has not spoken one word rejecting HKOP and the fact it will be governed by the Hashemites - not the PLO - in the 18 months since its publication.

#mhaze
HKOP has not been raised or mentioned once in the UN since its publication 18 months ago. The UN is in love with the two-state solution laid out in UNSCR 2334 - which has gone nowhere in the last seven years following its adoption in 2016.

The Arab League is in love with the two-state solution it proposed as Arab Peace Initiative in 2002 - that has also gone nowhere in 21 years.

The UN is threatening world peace by refusing to consider HKOP. Had it started to do so before October 7 as I was begging it to do - maybe the horrific events of October 7 and the subsequent Israel-Gaza War could have been avoided.

Things are getting far worse by the day and UN still refuses to discuss HKOP. This is shameful and needs to be called out every day the UN does not start debating HKOP as a possible solution to end 100 years of conflict between Arabs and Jews.

If recent reports are any near true, things are about to change dramatically....

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-secret-arab-plan-oust-palestinian-leader-abbas

http://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1739052007166488820

Yuyutsu asks why the Palestinian leadership would change their minds or attitudes to the whole shemozzle. The point is the current leadership never will. But that doesn't mean the current leadership can't be changed to a new junta that is much more amenable to reaching peace with the Jewish state.

David Singer writes:" UN still refuses to discuss HKOP. "

I don't think the UN is relevant in this situation. Whatever solution is finally reached, if a solution is reached, will be done over the heads of the UN.