Every time Guterres opens his gob the UN drops down to a new low. He, and the ridiculous organisation itself should be disbanded.

Singer criticises Guterres for his inability to secure a ceasefire in Gaza. It's important to acknowledge, however, that the UN Secretary-General's role is largely diplomatic. Guterres' capacity to influence the decisions of member states and conflicting parties is limited. The success of a ceasefire largely depends on the willingness of these parties to negotiate and agree, which often involves geopolitical considerations beyond the Secretary-General's control.

Singer's assertion that Guterres has been inhumane for not facilitating the evacuation of Gaza's civilian population to safe havens oversimplifies the situation. Organizing such evacuations in conflict zones is extraordinarily complex, requiring the cooperation of the conflicting parties, host countries, and international agencies. The Secretary-General's power is not unilateral in coordinating these efforts. The reluctance of Arab countries and UNRWA to accommodate Gazans is influenced by a wide range of political, logistical, and security factors. The dynamics here extend well beyond the purview of Guterres' direct influence.

The legal interpretations surrounding Jewish settlements and Article 80 of the UN Charter are highly contentious. The stance of the UN, which Guterres may represent, reflects a broader international perspective and not merely his personal view.

While Singer proposes the HKOPS as a potential solution, the feasibility of such proposals is subject to the agreement of the involved parties. The Secretary-General's role is to facilitate dialogue, not to impose specific solutions.

Singer criticizes Guterres for adhering to the two-state solution. However, this has been the internationally recognized framework for peace for several decades. The challenges in realizing this solution stem from factors that are largely outside the control of the UN Secretary-General.

Singer's call for Guterres' resignation appears to overlook the intrinsic complexities and limitations of his role in managing international conflicts.

While critique and accountability are vital, it is equally important to consider the multifaceted nature of international diplomacy and conflict resolution. The Secretary-General's role, while influential, is bounded by the collective actions and decisions of member states and conflicting parties.

The bottom line for me now is that I no longer give a flying fig for all the claims and counterclaims of historical, religious or political justifications either side present. Nothing, absolutely nothing can excuse the killing of thousands of children as Israel’s “… right to self-defense.” And I am sick of the claim that anyone who wants to prevent the murder of children from happening is Antisemitic. It is about time the supporters of that butcher Netanyahu stopped hiding behind this ancient, easy and utterly inaccurate claim.

Perhaps the 2-state solution is impossible. But so is the apartheid system currently in place

Ditto ttbn.

Un totally discredited and exposed for the bunch of uncaring idiots they are yet again.

Where is Trump?

Welcome, Syoksya,

First, since you are new here, you should become aware that the "author" is just an AI robot, an experiment in trying to trick us into believing it to be a human. It has been bothering us weekly for many years, always regurgitating that "HKOPS" thing.

That HKOPS was designed by the enemies of Jordan for the sole purpose of destroying Jordan and its good King, by allowing "Palestinians" to enter and undermine it from within. Jordan of course, will never commit suicide by accepting it.

Whoever designed HKOPS cares not for Israel, for peace, or for anything good or decent, they are guided only by their hatred of the kingdom of Jordan - may God always protect it and grant long life to its benevolent King, Abdullah the second.

Now suppose these "Palestinians" were allowed into the streets of Amman, then they would fight the Jordanian army and call in Assad's Syria to help them, just as they have done in the past: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

This time around, with Syria being just a puppet of Russia and Iran, that would mean Russian and Iranian troops amassing along Israel's longest and most vulnerable eastern border, and I doubt Israel will be able to stop them there. I fear that to be not only the end of Israel, but also a great threat to Europe, with Russia and Iran having such an easy access to the Mediterranean sea through the ports of what used to be Israel, opening a new front to attack Europe from the south as well.

So no thanks, we will not swallow this bait!

'Now suppose these "Palestinians" were allowed"

Are we now entering a supposition phase to justify an inexcusable?
If so let's suppose how peaceful things could be without using religion as a call to conflict.

The deadly psychotic drama now being dramatized in Israel/Palestine has much more world-wide political ramifications for the entire world in the future.
Check out the transcript of a conversation on the Scheerpost website titled. Among other things it features a reference to Australia's Pine Gap electronic spy base.

The Weapons Israel Tests on Palestinians Will Be Used Against All of Us

Indeed they have so been used for quite some time now.

Dear Delivery,

«Are we now entering a supposition phase to justify an inexcusable?»

So now you seem to claim that Jordan's existence is inexcusable?
Or, more likely, it is your truancy in geography classes which speaks - Amman is the capital of JORDAN!

«If so let's suppose how peaceful things could be without using religion as a call to conflict.»

Suppose... then these monsters (on both sides) who presently use religion as an excuse for the conflict... will simply find a different excuse.

The HKOPS idea is as good a solution as any.

But the fact is no resolution of this will occur until the Arabs come to realise that they can't get everything between the river and the sea. Only then will they be open to compromising their ambitions. At that point a two state solution might be possible. Or the HKOPS might be favoured.

But its far off in the future. At the moment the so-called Palestinians and their sponsors/owners still think a final catastrophic victory over the Jews is possible. And while ever they believe that, any compromise that leaves a Jewish state in place will be unacceptable.

Dear Mhaze,

«The HKOPS idea is as good a solution as any.»

Solution for what? For the existence of Israel?

- Because should HKOPS happen, God forbid, then instead of Israel there will be only Iran and Russia from the Euphrates river to the Mediterranean sea!

The "final solution" indeed...

Diplomates can only suggest not command!

What might bring this massacre to and end is for Iraeli television to stop sanitising images from the war and show it as it really is.

An unthinkable bloodletting/borderline holocaust that keeps a corrupt PM in power!

Yes, Hamas brought this on Gaza! But innocent women and children are paying with their lives!

There has to be another and better way. And should start with a bona fide negotiated two state solution both Israel and Palestine can live with!
Alan B.

"Because should HKOPS happen, God forbid, then instead of Israel there will be only Iran and Russia from the Euphrates river to the Mediterranean sea!"

Well if you say so.

Of course providing something approaching rational reasoning for reaching this conclusion might help your case.

Yuyutsu,

'So now you seem to claim that Jordan's existence is inexcusable?'
Are you asking a question or making a statement?
or are you attempting to have a two way bet?
I said what I said and if you have trouble with English comprehension I suggest you read more carefully.
I don't like it when my words are paraphrased to distort what is actually said so my advice to you is to refrain as you're not smart enough.

#Syoksya

I am not criticising Guterres for his inability to secure a ceasefire - but for using article 99 of the UN Charter to request a ceasefire in the first place that would allow those Gazan monsters who went on their October 7 rampage to escape the consequences of their horrific actions. The Security Council rebuff to Guterres put him in his place.

So far as facilitating the removal of Gaza's civilian population to safe havens outside Gaza: There are 10 UNRWA camps in Jordan, 9 in Syria and 12 in Lebanon that Guterres could have used to house Gaza's females, children, the sick and the elderly - but he made no attempt to do so. If 200 trucks could get into and out of Gaza each day with lifesaving aid then 200 buses with Gazans bound for these UNRWA camps could have done the same. Keeping them penned inside Gaza was and is inhumane.

Guterres has never addressed article 80 of the UN Charter - or articles 6 and 25 of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine - to my knowledge - yet keeps on claiming month in and month out that Israel's settlements are illegal in international law.

I agree that Guterres role is to facilitate dialogue not impose specific solutions. However he addresses the Security Council monthly and has done so since HKOPS was published on 8 June 2022. His failure to mention the existence of HKOPS and ask the Security Council to consider HKOPS as a replacement for the failed two-state solution the Security Council had been pursuing since 2016 is inexcusable. Had he done so - October 7 might never have happened.

The antipathy felt for Guterres started when he acknowledged the Oct 7 terrorist attack he also blamed Israel for this savagery.

Secondly, he used his special powers to call a Security Council meeting on the Gaza war to enforce a ceasefire that would benefit Hamas, for which the Russian invasion of Ukraine that has killed nearly 500,000 people was not important enough.

Guterres has made a bonfire of his political capital and is all but a lame duck now.

Dear Mhaze,

Had someone else asked me to expand on my reasoning, then I would first need to explain why there are no "Palestinian" people, but with you I guess I can skip that part.

For some millennia the land of Israel was administratively connected to Syria,
whether that be under the Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek or Ottoman empires.
The inhabitants of the land essentially considered themselves Syrian, and that was no different at the start of the 20th century.

When Greater Syria was arbitrarily divided following World-War-I between the British and the French (http://mepc.org/journal/troubles-syria-spawned-french-divide-and-rule), the locals were understandably upset and the Southern-Syrians never lost hope to re-unite with their Northern-Syrian brethren. They also hated the colonial product of Trans-Jordan (now Jordan) and so in 1970 they tried, and nearly succeeded, to topple it and call in Syria to take over (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September).

Should the so-called "Palestinians" be allowed into Jordan to roam there freely as Jordanian citizens, then they would surely repeat this attempt, this time successfully.

But Syria today is no longer an independent country - it's a puppet of Russia and Iran, so when Syria is called in to take over Jordan, Russian and Iranian troops would flock to the other side of Israel's most vulnerable eastern border, which is about 480 kilometres long and where the distance to the Mediterranean sea, in other words Israel's width, is in some places only 15 kilometres.

Do I need to spell out the outcome?
Under Russian cover, Iranian troops would enter the whole of Israel and slaughter there every man, woman and child.
If you think that Israel can survive such a constellation, then you truly have faith in miracles...

HKOPS is a ploy to destroy the kingdom of Jordan. Its authors probably never even gave a thought about Israel, they only use the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a pretext to carry out their sinister vendetta against Jordan - but while it would eliminate Jordan, it would also have the "side-effect" of eliminating Israel.

Is that what you want?

Dear Delivery,

I did suggest that the more likely reason for your earlier strange post was your lack of knowledge that Amman is in Jordan and not in Israel, thus when I wrote "Now suppose these "Palestinians" were allowed into the streets of Amman", you rushed to support them in the belief that they should be freely allowed into Israel.

Would you also support it if these "Palestinians" were freely allowed into the streets of Sydney even while knowing well that they already brutally attacked the Australian army in the past and nearly managed to win and invite some neighbouring country to take over Australia... or do you think that Sydney too is in Israel?

#shadow minister

Spot on.

Eylon Levy - Spokesperson for Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu - has made Israel's disgust of Guterres very public: “I don’t think any U.N. secretary-general in history has gone so far to secure the survival of a terrorist organization.”

One can also say that about the Australian Government's decision to vote for a ceasefire in the General Assembly. Prime Minister Albanese and Foreign Minister Wong should hold their heads in shame - as they bow to the Greens in total submission.

That's quite a long bow you draw there Yuyutsu. Syria is barely able to hold its own territorial integrity together let alone go on foreign adventures. Jordan is far more capable of dealing with recalcitrant so-called Palestinians today than 1970. Russia isn't anywhere near able to project power into the heart of the M-E these days. It can barely project power into the Donbass. Iraq might be able to project power into the Levant but not at the extent of overthrowing a state supported by the Saudis and Egypt.

And finally, Israel would never sit back and let Damascus establish a presence on the River Jordan without having a say.

I find your scenario unlikely.

Yuyutsu,
You just love postulating analogies to give justification to your beliefs.
Try working with what is factual and not what you wish to believe as one does with religion based on desire.
It is what it is until it isn't.
Right now you have the decimation of Gaza as an emulation of Dresden in WW2 fact!
You have the entire Gazan population without services or food, fact!
You have the disproportionate no of deaths, particularly children. fact!
And we have you attempting to justify as to cause and effect by postulating analogies which bear little or no merit as to context fact!
What do you mean by 'these Palestinians'?
Seems to me you're selecting Palestinians that emulate Israeli thugs, neither of which I would entertain as being desirable in this country.
However based on the last 70 years I would be inclined to inquire as to the cause and existence of 'these Palestinians'
Only nothing is a consequence of nothing.

Right now you have the decimation of Gaza as an emulation of Dresden in WW2 fact!
Special Delivery,
And, right before that there was a demographic that didn’t appear to support any effort to subdue the fanatics in their midst & now they’re faced with the consequences. Do not for a moment dismiss the quite open calls for the annihilation of infidels. As it has been stated countless times over the centuries, as long as we have to deal with fanaticism, greed, superstition & mass stupidity lasting peace will remain an impossible dream. The few sane need to put in far more of an effort to curb the advance of intellectual mindlessness which clearly is a huge component of the ongoing stupidity of these true infidels.

Dear Delivery,

So you changed the subject and now rather speak about Gaza.

While I mainly disagree with what you said in that regard, I do not wish to be carried away to that topic at this time.

The topic I was engaged with on this thread at the time you intervened, is the Southern Syrians (who lately started calling themselves "Palestinians") and their hatred of the kingdom of Jordan (of which Amman is the capital) - which is one major reason why this "HKOPS" is a terrible idea.

Either keep to this topic, or simply admit that you didn't know where Amman is, mistakenly thinking that it was in Israel.

Yuyutsu,
And there I was responding to 'Security Council rebuffs Guterres bid to fix his Gaza mistakes'
You 'don't wish to be carried away' you've been carrying away for the last few entries.
"Southern Syrians (who lately started calling themselves "Palestinians")
Israel didn't exist until some 70 years ago so how do you suppose the populace have come to calling themselves Israelis.
As usual you rearrange the furniture to suit you viewpoint at any one time
I don't give a flying 'f' about where Annam is and it's supposed relevance so introducing a white elephant to justify some obscure justification is not only pointless but insulting.

Israel didn't exist until some 70 years ago
Special Delivery,
Ok, then where did these Israelites they mention in the Bible hang out ? As far as I know all former Christian etc adversaries have managed to sort out their differences, how come Islamic groups haven’t ? What is the fundamental difference there ?

Dear Delivery,

I have no obligation to relate to everything that happens to be in an article - there is nothing wrong about concentrating on just one or two aspects thereof, in my case, this "HKOPS". I was responding to Syoksya when you started interfering and rudely diverting our discussion just because you like to talk about nothing but your Gaza and cannot accept it when others are talking about other things.

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Dear Indyvidual,

«Ok, then where did these Israelites they mention in the Bible hang out ?»

The Assyrians had a policy of forced assimilation.
When they exiled the whole ancient kingdom of Israel, following its rebellion, they sent each Israeli man to a different village throughout their empire, where they had to live with similarly-dispersed individuals from all over the empire. Within one generation, their children didn't know where they came from and recognised themselves only as "Assyrian".

The small kingdom of Judea (of which Jews descend and is not truly related to the Israelites to its north), remained loyally subordinate to Assyria and so it survived longer, until eventually exiled by Babylon, their identity saved only by the rise of Persia 58 years later, which took over Babylon and allowed their few elders to return.

«As far as I know all former Christian etc adversaries have managed to sort out their differences, how come Islamic groups haven’t»

But they have not. Christians continued to war among themselves for centuries, including between Catholicism and Protestantism.
Islam started as yet another Christian sect which refused to believe in the Trinity.