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Israel-Hamas war affirms the indispensability of a two-state solution : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 8/12/2023

Unless Israel establishes an endgame strategy that will lead to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the war against Hamas will only be another brutal violent episode.

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Agree! The negotiating parties should be locked in a room until they have come to an agreement, they can all live with!

A two-state solution is the only game in town with a snowflakes chance in hell of success.
ALAN B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 8 December 2023 7:06:50 AM
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Again, a very thoughtful article with suggested ways forward that could be a long sought journey on a path towards a sensible two-state solution. Human lives, both Palestinian and Israeli, are at stake in this conflict. Here in Australia we need to get past the cold-blooded 'no restraint' response of Peter Dutton on the human toll involved in the overwhelming IDF bombing of Gaza.
Posted by Blowy, Friday, 8 December 2023 8:17:02 AM
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A two state resolution of the conflict has been offered to the Palestinians 5 times over the past 70 years. They've rejected it each time and generally followed that rejection with violence.

Nothing has changed enough to warrant any hope that they'd accept a genuine two state offer this time.

While ever the Arabs think they can get everything between the river and sea they'll continue to reject any two-state offers.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 8 December 2023 9:59:30 AM
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The author speaks of "the Palestinians with their aspiration for statehood" - there never was any such aspiration.
He also warns that "Israel will continue to exist but live by the gun" - something no peace agreement(s) could stop anyway.

Since [a semblance of] peace seems in the interest of most of the majority of the world, rather than of the sides to this "conflict", the onus is on those who want it to bring it about: no silly "negotiations" between the disinterested parties, just order Israel to leave its occupied territories OR ELSE and the Arabs to stop their hostilities OR ELSE, then give both sides economic carrots for obeying and threaten them with big military/nuclear sticks if they fail to obey, that's all!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 8 December 2023 4:52:43 PM
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In the Pentagon there are a number of scenarios to solve this conflict. One is to nuke the joint, including Iraq and Iran, with neutron bombs and turn it into a sea of glass without destroying the infrastructure.

Then move in in around six months and claim any oil and gas. They do that and everybody else is going to keep their heads down least they suffer the same fate,
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 8 December 2023 5:12:30 PM
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All two-state options by Israel have been rejected by the Arabs. The two-state idea is dead in the water. Genocide of Jews is all Hamas and its backers are interested in. What is it that people don't understand about 'from the river to the sea Palestine will free'!
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 9 December 2023 8:32:21 AM
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The two state solution is for religious reasons unacceptable to the
Arab population within the River to the Sea.
However there is a clause in the Koran, and sorry I cannot quote it,
that permits Moslems to Make an agreement in bad faith with Infidels
with the intention to break the agreement at a time of advantage to the moslems.
An alternative Is for the River to the Sea to be awarded to the Arabs
and some other country such as Jordon or Saudi Arabia have a Jewish state established.
Another alternative could be to saw off a part of Australia to establish a seventh state.

Now you will probably be thinking I have been smoking something strange.
Well it is nowhere as strange as thinking a two state solution in the
Middle East is possible. It has been rejected many times by the moslem
countries but you cannot trust them if they do agree.
The only solution is to kill all the Jews.
No one else has found a mutually acceptable solution so why could we.
Posted by Bezza, Saturday, 9 December 2023 4:16:55 PM
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I do not believe that a two-state solution is not doable.

Something has to change, and we should start with Israeli television and the sanitised view of the war being presented by the Israelis.

There needs to be a different way to progress the war against Hamas without slaughtering civilians/human sandbags.

The two-state solution was nearly many years ago but the Israeli that had the deal on the table was murdered by Mossad?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 10 December 2023 7:44:02 AM
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Dear Alan,

«I do not believe that a two-state solution is not doable.»

One just cannot force independence on people who do not want to have it.

Nevertheless, Israel should just leave those cursed territories, unilaterally, then let the pieces fall there however they fall.

(and remain armed to the teeth, in case it is required to come in again, just as it is now forced to in Gaza)
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 10 December 2023 10:41:49 AM
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Nonetheless, a two-state solution must be offered, and Jordan asked to become the intermediatory. If it's refused, then a war should proceed until they surrender. The status quo is unacceptable/ends nothing.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 11 December 2023 6:50:22 AM
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Dear Alan,

«Nonetheless, a two-state solution must be offered»

But of course, it was offered many times in the past and will be offered again and again and again in future, once Netanyahu is gone, that is.

What I was saying was, that Israel need not wait and plead for the local Arabs to do it a great favour and accept its offers, but rather, it should leave the place and make it clear that whatever happens there afterwards, over its border, is none of its business (so long of course that Israel does not get attacked again from those areas).

«The status quo is unacceptable/ends nothing.»

Exactly. The status quo of endless occupation and Israel accommodating those Jewish settlers, is unacceptable. Israel should just leave, and whatever the people who stay there do or not do after that will be none of its business.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 11 December 2023 7:34:08 AM
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If you think the holocaust of 70 years ago is was something to remember, and never forget, do you suppose the world is going to quietly dismiss this massacre in Gaza?
The reason Israel targeted killing children is because they know it's the children that will remember the barbaric killings and be tomorrows freedom fighters.
Just as all Germans were considered perpetrators and enablers of the Holocaust, Israelis will be held accountable in the same way for the massacre of Gaza.
In turn this will extend to Jews all over the world as being enablers of the Israeli state and it's actions.
Whereas a percentage of the German populace could claim ignorance the Jews worldwide have no such benefit of doubt.
The West will claim that it merely tried to help whilst the Jews will carry the blame, as they have done for centuries through the West's manipulation and duplicity.
Netanyahoo will be remembered as no different to Hitler in most quarters
Posted by Special Delivery, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 12:52:46 PM
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Special Delivery, you seem to forget who started this war.
If you are a military encased in a densely populated small geographic
area, you have to be very stupid o start a war with a more powerful
neighbour.
I suggest to you that what has happened since 7rh October is exactly
what was expected. If any blame is to be put on Israel it is to follow
along with Iran's plan for the war.
I did see one suggestion that Israel destroy one or more of Iran's
oil facilities with a message to call off Hamas or the rest will go.
Seems like an idea with promise, except Biden is too locked in to
patronising Iran.
Posted by Bezza, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 3:22:19 PM
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Dear Bezza,

There are some whose position was already determined at their time of birth:

Had Israel been dropping sweets on Gaza then they would claim that Israel wants to make them diabetic.

Had Israel been dropping medicines on Gaza then they would claim that Israel is conducting medical experiments on those innocent victims.

Israel is doing its best to avoid hitting Gazan civilians and children.

Some claim that Israel's "best" is not good enough, and they could be right, so for them I repeat the words of the IDF spokesperson:

"If you can come up with any idea whatsoever on how we could do better to avoid hitting civilians while still destroying Hamas and having our hostages released, then please, please, please, tell us - we are eager to hear your advice and we will respect and thank you so much for it."
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 3:49:16 PM
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Dead right Yuyutsu, plenty with complaints but very few with a solution.
I see that the Lebanese government has tried to warn Hezbollah off
getting involved from further bombing Israel.
If they get involved I think Israel's reaction will restart the
Lebanese civil war.
What a mess is the Midlle East
Posted by Bezza, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 9:43:12 PM
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'Special Delivery, you seem to forget who started this war.'
Bezza,
You're either a myopic fool or an idiot looking for a place to practice.
When you kick a dog in a cage the dog is not going to love you for it, quite the contrary.
If one is brought to a point where they have nothing to lose, they are at their most dangerous.
The Israelis have been subjugating the Palestinians for decades.
Subjugate synonyms: keep down, quash, reduce, repress, subdue. type of: crush, oppress, suppress. come down on or keep down by unjust use of one's authority.
October 7 was inevitable given the prevailing circumstances.
So Bezza, Let me know when you want to present an argument justifying stupidity and irrational logic, not to mention life without humanity.
Posted by Special Delivery, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 3:01:31 PM
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