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The horrific breakdown in Israeli Palestinian relations: where do we go from here? : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 31/10/2023

The unfathomably horrific massacre that Hamas perpetrated against innocent Israelis offers an unprecedented opportunity to reach an Israeli-Palestinian peace.

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Dear David,

Zionism is not embodied by Netanyahu, a corrupt hedonist, a coward, a small bad-mouthed politician whose only care in the world is to avoid jail and personal bankruptcy; nor is Zionism embodied by his wife of expensive tastes, nor by his sons who avoid military service during Israel's bitterest time, nor by his Nazi coalition partners and others who belong in the Middle Ages.

Zionism was never a single ideology, it always encompassed many divergent streams and means completely different things for different Jews, Israelis and Christians. For many Israelis, "Zionist" in common speech is simply a synonym for "a good citizen, one who cares for his neighbours, one who volunteers, who donates blood, etc.".

While you refer to "Those same Zionists support the Jewish settlers on the West Bank", there are about as many Zionists in Israel who abhor these settlers. There are also non-Jewish, Druze and Muslim, Israelis who consider themselves Zionists and are presently risking and sacrificing their lives and limbs for Israel's survival, in Gaza as well as along Israel's northern border.

Therefore, before we can have any productive discussion on the matter, would you care to define what you see as 'Zionist', so we can talk about the same thing?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 6 November 2023 7:40:56 AM
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The same could have been said of Hitler.
Today the term Zionist is a catch phrase under which all manner of disrespect to mankind can be hidden.
Posted by Special Delivery, Monday, 6 November 2023 8:08:33 PM
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Yuyutsu said;There is nothing religious about this war - or do you
really believe that God ordained it?

You misunderstand me, what I am saying is that it does not matter what
I believe, but it does matter what the aggressor (the Islamists)
believe. They believe that it is their religious
duty to get rid of the Jews, all of them.
They are now restating it from their pulpits in Australia.
It is after all in the Koran. End of argument !

Unless some religious person can convince them that they are in
theological error this will go on till the last moslem is dead !
Sorry to say it but I think we are all wasting our time debating this
subject.
Posted by Bezza, Monday, 6 November 2023 10:20:32 PM
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Dear Bezza,

«They believe that it is their religious
duty to get rid of the Jews, all of them.»

I don't believe even that.
I don't think Hamas even thinks or cares about God (or Allah for that matter),
they just use God's name and the Quran in vain for their own selfish pleasure.

«Unless some religious person can convince them that they are in
theological error»

I think that they don't need to be convinced because they already know that what they claim is theologically false.
But they never cared about theology in the first place,
nor would they care to listen to religious persons.

They believe in no God, gods, prophets or scripture.
They just want what they want, which is to kill and instil terror all around them.
And when they think they can sell you stories that falsely claim as if they believe in anything, then that's just what they do.

Tear that religious mask off their face!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 6 November 2023 11:22:08 PM
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