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'The Voice' may end up uniting us after a : Comments

By Graham Young, published 13/10/2023

There are several lessons Australians can learn from this weekend's vote.

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The Voice certainly needs a good drubbing. Whether or not that will knock the nonsense out for good won't be known until the instigator of it, Albanese, also gets a good drubbing at the next election, or is replaced by the party before then. The man is an absolute menace, and the biggest threat to Australian democracy ever.

Albanese is ignoring just about everything that concerns voters because of his obsession with the horrible Voice. He must be punished. If Labor wants another term in office, it must be Labor itself that does the punishing by getting rid of him.

And, aboriginal Australians must get rid of their self-appointed 'leaders', and demonstrate that they are not helpless and in need of favours just because of their race. And all Australians need to take more notice of what is happening, and oust the rubbish seat warmers in Canberra for something better.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 13 October 2023 7:50:27 AM
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What a typically blinkered and ideologically tainted piece. Rather contradictory in places as well.

The author even managed to include the "culturally Marxist" trope.

That a national Voice might not be achieved is of course disappointing, but here in Victoria we have had a state Voice working since 2019 and are well on the way to a treaty.

All the other States seem to be starting or are already on a similar journey.

This is where much of the work will happen and regionally dealing with these issues is possibly a more workable path in the long run even though constitutional recognition would have been something to celebrate.

We are still left with the extraordinary race powers within the Constitution, and a federal Voice could have informed their application. Perhaps in the long term representatives from the State based Voices might ultimately make up a Federal body to take that role.

Interesting times ahead
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 13 October 2023 7:54:39 AM
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Hard to say who did more damage to Australian society, the Goaf or the present excuse of a PM.
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 13 October 2023 7:56:56 AM
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John Howard did the most damage to our society, by a country mile.
Posted by Chek, Friday, 13 October 2023 10:48:34 AM
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Hear, hear and well said Sir! At this time, bread and butter issues dominate! None more pressing than the cost of electricity. Why, even leading oil producer, Suadi Arabia sees the writing on the wall as she scrambles to electrify the transport sector.

Our mob, although willing to take on nuclear submarines ASAP, keeps sane nuclear power, for the domestic market, off the table, even as it's clearly now the best, safest, cleanest and cheapest option.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 13 October 2023 11:16:33 AM
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Everybody knows …

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Galatians 7-8-9 :

A man reaps what he sows.

The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59sFfjA2Nmg&ab_channel=LeonardCohen-Topic

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 13 October 2023 10:59:06 PM
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Hallelujah ! …

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Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLk9pzmaFHY&ab_channel=RobbieDunbar-LucyThomasOfficialFanClub

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 13 October 2023 11:40:27 PM
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Now that the dust has settled.

The Voice? What was it?
We needed to know three things.
Who wanted it?
What did they want?
Why did they want it?

It seems no one could define accurately who wanted it.
So that surely left us perplexed.

And what?
We were being asked to include in the constitution an advantage for some undefined persons based solely on racial background?
Totally illogical and extremely racist.

And finally why?
Sound reasons weren't given.
One can only conclude it was to allow those undefined persons to have some advantage?

So all-up it is clear.
It was a ploy, perpetrated solely to gain advantage for some.
It was, quite rightly, rejected at referendum.
What next?

Those 'undefined' persons must do several things.
Firstly, learn Engish.
Next, comply with the law.
Then, get a job.
Stop telling their children lies.
Send their children to school regularly.
Become part of our democracy.
Become a team player.
It really is that simple.

And learn.
That what might seem right for them is wrong for Australia.
And Australia has told them so.

If they really cannot do what is needed, then that is a whole different matter.
Which worries me.
Australia could look at why?
Then institute programs to overcome difficulties?
But my sense is that this has been tried already?

There is a limit to how much money and time should be spent on their problems?
It cannot go on forever?
They must try harder to assimilate?
So much so, that never again need we refer to those 'undefined persons'.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Sunday, 15 October 2023 2:02:19 AM
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Stoolreflux,

Partisan legislation and treaties put in place by a far-left whinge government in Victoria can be easily expunged by a less activist government later. The coalition is well experienced in cleaning up Labor's messes.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 15 October 2023 5:19:26 AM
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The result of the Voice referendum is a clear indicator of the ignorance of the elite. Canberra is the only area where Yes was successful as Canberra is also the place with the least indigenous population.
How much more proof do we need ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 15 October 2023 6:05:01 AM
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States cannot make treaties. That is in the Constitution. Maybe Australia needs another referendumb?
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 15 October 2023 6:49:10 AM
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Good.

The 30-30 UN Charter for Biodiversity is entirely what was (and still is, it’s not over yet), the motivation for the ever expanding Indigenous rights scorch!

Locking down 30% of land mass by 2030, (and 60% by 2060 with increasing UN mandates after 2030), and rendering it unusable for any other purpose than biodiversity, is the total motivation for Government meddling into Aboriginal lives, and using the Voice as a stand off vehicle for attaining UN dictates for our land use!

That is the cat which was not to be released from the bag during the Voice campaign, and both sides of Politics are equally guilty!
All rural land use, notably farming, is under threat, and Aboriginal land rights enshrined into the Constitution are a guaranteed vehicle to use them up for the purpose!
Aboriginals are only EVER used towards a greater purpose for Politicians. It’s why their lot rarely improves on the bottom rung.

http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/blog/2022/12/press-release-nations-adopt-four-goals-23-targets-for-2030-in-landmark-un-biodiversity-agreement/
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 15 October 2023 8:40:53 AM
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So the voice vote has stopped giving Albo & company free access to muck with our constitution. The average Ozzie was not as dumb as Albo & crowd hoped they were. He obviously could not admit just what he wanted to do to the constitution, or he would have lost to a greater margin.

So we've stopped one lefty stupidity, so lets now stop the stupidity of battery powered cars, & windmill power generation. We simply can't afford it.

Once there, lets resign from the now ratbag lefty controlled United Nations, & take our country back from all unelected bureaucrats academics, & the feminists bunch.

For those who knock the 60s, just remember a single income truck driver family could buy a home in Sydney, & have enough money left to live reasonably well. Leaves todays prospects totally for dead.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 15 October 2023 9:44:43 AM
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Australia rejects Indigenous referendum in setback for reconciliation

This is the headline of some News thing on the Net. Are people in the media really so silly as to totally miss the point that the NO result is the best possible outcome, particularly for the indigenous ? They're now literally free of the insipid activists & elitist do-gooders who only have their own interests at heart & those of the indigenous as they only pretend to do.
Now they're already pointing the finger at the NO campaign when it was in fact the progressives who incited an unworkable demand in the first place ! The $400Mills wasted should be taken out of their taxpayer funded coffers now.
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 15 October 2023 12:15:45 PM
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I just saw a segment on the abc news channel 24.
They were talking about a 'week of mourning' like somehow the 'yes' voters were the majority.
What about a week of celebrations for the 'no' voters that their VOICE was heard and that the country will now not have racial privilege enshrined in the constitution?

If you think that's harsh, imagine how they would've carried on towards the 'No' voters had the decision gone the other way.
They would've gotten a free pass to call them all racist, and they would be rubbing their 'Yes' in everyone's faces.

They talked about the voting results and what it meant.
I can explain that just from the maps and results.

It showed that the entire country is divided already, and the 'woke' inner city types are completely at odds with the rest of the country.

Now is not the time for 'mourning', it's time to lay the boot in.
Heads need to roll for the time wasted during a cost of living crisis, the 400 million wasted and the needless division caused.

Any government bureaucrat, or a person in a third party advisory role holding positions of power and influence in government decision making that voted 'Yes' has shown they are out of touch with the views of Australians and they ALL need to go.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 15 October 2023 12:35:10 PM
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People talk about sovereignty.
Which is the 'power' to govern.
But power comes from strength.
A person or group must have the 'strength' to CONTROL an area before it can say it has sovereignty.
There is only one group which has been in control here for the last two or more centuries.
Latterly known as the commonwealth of australia?
Only government and its instruments can make laws and grant rights.
And a democratic government can do it oh so well.
Everything you own, every right you have, comes via our democratic government TODAY.
It sets standards, and enforces those standards.
Without government of some form, you have nothing, and are entitled to nothing.
Except that which you can protect by your own effort.
Any peron who imagines they have some form of ownership because of something which happpened two thousand, twenty thousand, forty thousand, or sixty five thousand years ago, is living in some fantasy world.
Dinosaurs knew how to deal with it.
They simply put a big foot down, and no further argument was necessary.
They enforced their own standard, whatever they went.
People who occupy fantasy worlds are numerous.
Would it ever be possible for them to grow up, and use reason to guide their way forward?
Looking back at history, 'I doubt it said the carpenter'.
But I won't shed a bitter tear.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Sunday, 15 October 2023 3:46:18 PM
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Yes by all means lets fight and fight
Lets ignore each other's rights
Let only Whites be in control
We can be proud of the lands we stole

Black or White lets not live together
We're not all birds of a feather
So lets divide us into foes
Lets not rectify our woes

We can't live in calm and peace
We can't make our fighting cease
Look at what's happening in the Middle East
They too can't make their fighting cease

I was here first so you say
But we want you to go away
We want you to grin and bear it
We aren't quite prepared to share it

So be happy with what you've got
Because our mob wants to keep the lot.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 15 October 2023 3:54:50 PM
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Sounds to me like Foxy will be losing some benefits from the referendum loss !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 15 October 2023 6:32:08 PM
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The fact of the matter is we are all here today and now.
Whats here we have built for everyone so we should just get on with it.

We have much bigger things to sort out.
As you saw at the opera house the other night we have a developing
problem that is part of a world wide problem.
Don't think that is just a middle east thing.
It is a command to take over the world, no kidding, they really
mean it. If you think it is nonsense, just look at the UK, France and Sweden.
It is no secret, they boast about it.

So we, the Aborigine people, and the other immigrants will need to be ready.
Foxy after that look for your smelling salts ! Hi !
Posted by Bezza, Sunday, 15 October 2023 8:31:47 PM
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Foxy there are more parliamentarians claiming to be aboriginal per head of aboriginal population than whites. Just how this disenfranchise aboriginals I find hard to understand.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 15 October 2023 9:15:14 PM
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Indyvidual,

You said something about Foxy losing some benefits
from the loss of the Voice referendum? I'm not
sure what you mean by that. The Voice was not about
Foxy - she's not Indigenous. But, I do think
that there is a loss, which is everyone's loss - as a nation.
Especially, not recognizing our First Nations
people in the Constitution.

Australia, is the only Commonwealth country who hasn't done
it. And that's not something to be proud of.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 16 October 2023 9:20:38 AM
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Hi Hasbeen,

The Indigenous MPs represent their electorates.
There is no formal body speaking on behalf of
the Indigenous people. The Voice would have
given them a seat at the table to advise at the
grassroots level on what would work in their
communities so that better outcomes could be achieved
and funding directed to where it was actually needed.

But, it's been decided - "Business as usual!"
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 16 October 2023 9:25:08 AM
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Thanks Graham Young for the article. I don't agree with all the assertions but at least you made a good attempt at covering the subject matter. Kudos.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 16 October 2023 2:18:55 PM
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Love your posts Foxy.
Posted by Chek, Monday, 16 October 2023 2:45:49 PM
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