"Those who perished on the Titan should be grieved."

They will be. By their family and friends. Not by people who are not fabulously rich and idle enough to take such risks. The media is always happy to try whipping up emotions in the masses on stuff not affecting the masses; but they are not much interested in the things that do affect the masses in their own, ordinary lives, and the screwing over they are getting from the Albanese government.

Most people will not be the slightest bit interested in this incident- nor should they be.

Screwed over not only by the Albanese government, but also by the Dutton Opposition, which is today demanding that the government spend even more money we don’t have on Ukraine. China, climate change pandemics etc are not our worst enemies. Our worst enemy is our rotten political class. Money is being misspent on stuff not helping us one bit, while power prices surge, all prices surge, and more and more people have nowhere to live.

Everything written about here, and in the media, is insignificant compared to the incompetence and corruption of our political class. It's a problem that most Australians don't seem to think about or do anything about. As was send by one commentator over the weekend: Australians hate freedom and democracy.

The difference between the billionaire and the refugee.
The billionaire- was trying to do something great using their own resources.
The refugee- was trying to get unearned sustenance rather than reforming their own nations and creating their own independent wealth.

The current refugee flood is spread by communist and strategic influences internally and externally to western society in the form of communist superpowers and failing states- both unable or strategically unwilling to manage their own nation.

There are some issues with world energy and other scarce resources for world stability.

The EU has followed Australia's strategy of towing refugees and asylum seekers away from its shore while admiring the reckless oligarchs who lost their lives in a shonky submarine near the Titanic graveyard.

They are following best practice in anti-human policies and strategies widely practiced by new despots in likeminded liberal democracies.

Our media and Parliament are brainwashed and never questions why are growing numbers of people leaving their homes and taking massive risks to reach a crumbling and reckless EU and what can be done to prevent this?. In particular, the need for a new Security and Development architecture for all nations not just the self-selected Anglo-American empire and EU.

CM

Good work on the demolition of the absurd comparison with illegals made by Kampark.

They needed a vessel that would tolerate pressure at 4,000 feet, Which then would not have imploded at 3800 feet. This morbid interest in a watery graveyard is what killed them. And if they had not sort to profit from it? They might still be with us.

As for "refugees" and as for "asylum" seekers? Many are simply economic migrants seeking economic opportunity. Or worse, criminals seeking to escape justice.

We need to deploy unbeatable space age lie detection when processing these folk. Then if they pass muster send where we need workers. Fruit picking etc on a minimum wage and require them to learn our language and customs over ten years before they become eligible for social security benefits. Or other work!

If they fail the lie detector test send them back from whence they came. And if necessary sedated.

Never again can we allow a so-called refugee/Con artist/criminal to operate a people trafficking racket from these shores!
Alan B.

Any country has the right to repel invaders, & should do so with what ever force is required to achieve that objective.

The death of a passenger on an overcrowded boat smuggling refugees is arguably more tragic than the death of a millionaire in an imploding submersible trying to reach the wreck of the Titanic, but it is less newsworthy.

NO ONE should undertake a dangerous activity, unless there is a strong reason to do so.
It doesn't matter whether it is going to the moon, climbing everest, exploring deep caves, or anything else.
Doing something dangerous for 'a lark', or to have just another 'experience' to brag about, is stupid.
I know our youthful instincts can lead us astray, but we must curb their excesses, and drive them in a fruitful direction instead.
Those men should not have undertaken a deep see dive unless there was a compelling reason for it.
And a rubiks cube certainly is not a good reason.
I am saddened that a young man lost his life.
The older ones just should have known better.
But I think the young man was influenced by his father at the very least.
He doesn't exist any more, so it is pointless to conjecture now.
Except perhaps to learn a lesson from the lack of foresight and good reason that was shown.
And by the way: it was 4000 metres not feet?
But I am sure they did lose their footing.

Ditto Canem Malum, ttbn & Alan B.
Why is it always that other people get portrayed as heartless but not once the Govts who make their citizens take the risks to leave their homelands ?
I recently saw videos from a country at war where people frequented night clubs & bars as if nothing happened ??
Yet, some reports question countries' not giving enough or not what is being asked for ?
Forgive my ignorance but it all is starting to look like some evil game to me that exploits goode will ! I see parallels here !

Thanks ttbn, Indyvidual.

Good call on the repelling invaders Hasbeen. "Any country has the right to repel invaders, & should do so with what ever force is required to achieve that objective." Kudos.

You couldn't be more wrong Ipso Fatso. It may suit you & some people to sit around wrapped in cotton wool is some soulless city, but some of us want to live experiences & see the world for ourselves.

I quite enjoyed flying off aircraft carriers, doing my bit to protect Oz from enemies. Pity our politicians decided to destroy us from with in with excessive migration.

I enjoyed my time driving Formula one racing cars, nothing like living life at 9/10ths.

I also enjoyed sailing my 40 footer around the Pacific islands. I met people, & experienced things & life that people like you could never understand. Live your life in a safe little cocoon, if you wish, but don't demand others restrict themselves to such a meaningless existence.

I do believe that those who chose to do something out of the ordinary have no right to call for help if their activities lead to disaster, but provided they cost no one anything, everyone should chase their dream.

The mass tourists who take no risks whatsoever end up costing the rest of us more than the handful who take risks which lead to useful inventions of use to many !
The former just make a mess of everything that is prohibitive in cost to rectify !

Quote: ...but provided they cost no one anything...
But that doesn't happen does it!
There are consequences to living life on the edge, and it is always the rest of us who pick up the pieces.
The consequences include waste and destruction and contamination.
And these add up to cost us dearly.

Imagine we are sailing in an overcrowded boat.
That approximates the life most people live these days.
If a few fools persist in rollicking around doing anything they please, assuredly the boat's progress will suffer.
It will probably turn over and sink?
If you are part of a team, you must behave as such.
When in Rome do as Rome does.

When it is necessary to do something dangerous for the benefit of the many, it must be planned carefully.
Preparation should include extended investigation, so there is almost no likelihood of error.
Then the benefit can be seen to outweigh any chance of error.
Look at the first man on the moon.
That wasn't thought up on friday, mocked up on saturday, with blast off on sunday?
And fingers crossed as far as the eye could see.

The world is overcrowded, and there are sensible limits to any individual's behaviour.
We need to stretch and extend ourselves mentally rather than physically.
There are plenty of activities which can be undertaken without causing a wasteful disturbance.
'I am going to do what I like, and bugger the rest' is NOT the way to live.

You obviously don't understand Ipso Fatso that what is dangerous to you is just a stroll in the park to many of us.

Ipso Fatso said- The world is overcrowded

Answer- Yes but the solution is not to "enslave" everyone. Maybe the solution is to "enslave" the ones doing the overcrowding. India and China have the same population as the next 18 most populated nations.

At least Ipso Fatso recognises that population is a problem.

What I do understand is the waste caused by those who insist on exercising their 'rights'.
They use up resources excessively, to experience what they see as real life.
Then when things go wrong, they clutter up the hospital system with their broken limbs and broken necks.
We really need to start being far more efficient in how we use our support systems?
As someone said, if they are injured whilst doing something stupid, leave them to sort themselves out.
Don't waste time or effort, or valuable resources, on them.
All surfers and skateboarders take note.

I suppose we could explain it thusly.

Our friend Joe says:
'It is exciting to live on the edge.
I am going to do something which is dangerous.
It will give me a feeling of extreme exhilaration that I need.
If I am seriously injured, you will look after me for the rest of my life won't you?'

We really need to stop and think about this.
Are we going to go on rewarding stupidity such as his?

It must be dreadful to go through life not game to go out in the sun, because you are frightened you might get sunburned, or your shadow might follow you.

When one proceeds thoughtfully and carefully in life, there is ample opportunity for experience and expression.
I don't know about others, but I go out in the summer sun daily, with suitable clothing and hat.
Sometimes my 'shadow' goes ahead of me.
It is more adventurous than I?
But only the shadow knows.
I also go out in the winter rains, once again with suitable clothing, and umbrella.
Each year, I trim trees, more than 6 metres above the ground.
And I do so carefully, with proper preparation.
But if someone wants me to swim in shark infested waters, I will say no.
I will leave that up to brave spirits who have no sense of danger?
And a final comment.
I would rather those adventurous men in the 'Titan' had shown a greater awareness of the hazardous nature of their undertaking.
Previous 'cracking' noises in the shell material at depth should have alerted someone.

Enjoying the benefits of the risks taken by others ? As foolish as many adventurers are, their antics do lead largely to inventions/improvements for the many who sit back & let others take all the risks.
We now know that a carbon fibre vessel can go to 3800m 10 times so, either they'll make the material thicker or don't use it any more.
Planes constructed of carbon fibre have been flying for years & let's hope they realise the limits of the material before disaster strikes.
What is the alternative ? Well, people could go back to living more within the means of less technology i.e. less pollution, less MONEY !!

I am sure there have always been people like Christopher Columbus and his ilk.
Those who want to travel and explore beyond the horizon.
And 'nothing ventured, nothing gained' might seem to be a wise approach to life.
But it can also be dangerous and wasteful.
So we need to think hard, and plan carefully when we make NECESSARY excursions in to the unknown?
And those who engage with high risk, just because they can, are less than savvy?
A casual voyage can end in disaster.
It only takes 40 milliseconds or so.

In a sense I agree with Ipso Fatso's "user pays" philosophy. Perhaps we should get rid of council based child care too so that those that don't use the service don't have to pay for it, etc, etc. As Reagan said "big government is bad". Doesn't mean that you can't cooperate with others to create a service for the common interest as auto clubs do with road side service.