Democracy in India is not perfect, neither is anybody else's. But arguably, superior to anything produced in any Islamic state. And never ever underestimate implacable people power when an autocrat seizes unelected power.
Alan B.

'"India – Mother of all democracies" according to Prime Minister Modi in his address to the United Nations General Assembly in September 2021.'

That is a wild and untrue statement. India would be well down the list of anyone asked to list the top ten democratic countries, if it made it at all. Australia sucks up to India only because it has a lot of people - although more and more of them are coming here - who 'might' help us out with China. That's despite its being matey with Russia. And, it should be remembered that it went for Russia bigtime after the Raj.

So in love with Modi is Albanese, that he has agreed to recognise the very iffy qualifications of the graduates of the very, very iffy Indian universities in our immigration spectacular.

However, the suggestion of India pairing up with China is an appalling thought.

One of the hard right extremist forum posters tried to tell me a while back, that India was superior to China. What a joke, with mass poverty and huge unemployment, there no comparison. The sick man of Asia is no longer China, its well and truly India.

India & China have been to to top before & are on their way to the top again. The West has been to the top for a fleeting moment but the weight of its own greed/stupidity is dragging it down with the help of Democracy.

What the village idiot is saying is that after he claimed that China had zero unemployment and was in perfect economic condition, I compared its growth with Taiwan whose people are the same and whose economy is far better and didn't have to kill 50 million people on the way.

China has little health care, unemployment benefits, and labour laws that are almost never enforced and an economy that is the most indebted in the world and in serious trouble.

The village idiot instead compared China to India. I pointed out that India's growth rate is nearly double that of China and looks like overtaking China in a couple of Decades.

I started the comparison, I freely admit I was praising China for having a strong economy and for achieving remarkable improvements in economic areas under the CCP. The 'Name Caller' tried to say India was a beacon of economic goodies under Capitalism, I said not with massive unemployment and poverty its not. I compared two countries with similar economies, populations and size, China and India. Since India failed this silly 'Name Caller' deflected to Taiwan, claiming; "well they are both Chinese", he could have deflected to Luxembourg, with a claim that, "Well they are both people".

INDIA has NO health care, NO unemployment benefits, and labour laws that are ALWAYS enforced! Their one and only labour law is; "Do as we command, or we'll throw you down a well!"

Ha! Sleepy Old Joe can't leave America, they can't afford the air fare! Their economy is teetering on collapse with trillions being lost everyday, that's why, and the old fool has to stay home and try and do something. The silly name calling Trumpster looks rather stupid now.

p/s I'm sure President Xi of China can leave the country and fly around the world any time he likes,because he knows, the Chinese economy is in such good shape.

p/p/s Just don't put your life savings into an American bank, the Wall Street shysters will pocket the lot!

The village idiot is lying again, no one claimed that India was a beacon of economic goodies under Capitalism he is just making this up as usual.

"The National Social Assistance Programme of India is a Centrally Sponsored Scheme of the Government of India that provides solidarity financial assistance to people who are unable to work, widows/widowers and persons with disabilities in the form of social pensions"

"Unemployment refers to the share of the labour force that is without work but available for and seeking employment. India's unemployment rate for 2021 was 5.98%, a 2.02% decline from 2020."

In China "Unemployment among those ages 16 to 24 rose to 19.6% in March, up from 18.1% in both January and February and inching toward the 19.9% of last July, the highest level since records began in 2018. Youth unemployment was 16% in March 2022" "The quarterly unemployment rate in China stood at 5.5 per cent in the first quarter of 2023."

A direct comparison is with Taiwan with similar people but no communist government with far better results.

Unlike some fool who fails to give a reference for his so called figures, here are mine from 'TRADEING ECONOMICS' a reputable American trade organisation;

UNEMPLYMENT

China 5.2 previous 5.3 Apr/23
India 7.8 previous 7.5 Mar/23
Australia 3.7 previous 3.5 Apr/23

Of course the demented Trumpster will make all sorts of claims without facts.

As the old man said to me 50 years ago; "Son, I'd rather be the average Chinaman, than the average Indian." True then, still true today.

A new direct comparison is between the USA and Haiti, cause that's where the American economy is heading. The Trumpster wont admit it of course, but his man Trump "deregulated" the American economy so badly that it's now heading towards third world status, thanks to all those greedy shonks and shysters on Wall Street!

Unemployment among US octogenarians is now over 99%, except in Washington where they have one old fool still employed! Another soon to be octo wants that silly old fools job, that of course is when he's not hanging out in department stores change rooms with women he claims not to know!

SM, you didn't comment on the second part of my post, "Ha! Sleepy Old Joe can't leave America.......".... Sleepy Old Joe would have rang Albo and told him why he wasn't coming, but he didn't have a dime for the pay phone!

Once again the village idiot has earned his title, by not reading what I quoted he made himself look like a twit.

This idiot has forgotten that he claimed that China's unemployment was zero and can't even spell unemployment. he also seems to have forgotten how to use Google to trace quotes.

That China has no regard for human rights and happily jails and executes people for any criticism, India is looking far more attractive.

China's economy is in serious trouble and given that India's growth rate is nearly double that of China, India could reasonably overtake China in a few decades.

What the Trumpster doesn't realise is, with a population growth of almost 12%, compared to China's near 4% over the past decade, India requires economic growth three times that of China's just to keep up, its not achieving that. Where as China achieved spectacular economic growth rates during the 1990's and 2000's, India was a basket case. Unfortunately for the average Indian there is no economic prosperity as there is in China for the majority.

The Trumpster, still has nothing to say about the desperate state Sleepy Old Joe is in, having to stay put as the American economy crashes and burns around him.

What the village idiot forgets is that India's population growth has slowed to 0.8% p.a. so his calculations are bollocks.

In the 70s Mao's cultural revolution killed 50 million Chinese through starvation, making India look like a paradise.

China is a highly oppressive police state and the only wealthy people are those in the Party. The judicial system is a joke used to rubber-stamp the party's decisions. About 2000 people are executed a year.

As for the demographics, China's one-child policy has seen the proportion of youth shrinking to the point where the number of working-age adults is going to start to implode just as the number of retirees explodes.

With China's huge debt, the future looks extremely challenging.

If the Village Trumpster is to be believed then China will have no problem with a "retiree explosion", as they will either starve to death or be executed.

Both India and Chine have a population of 1.4 billion people. Very similar countries. Not good enough for the Village Trumpster, maybe he should compare China to Luxembourg, he'd get a better result his way.

"Based on income band classification, China's middle class has been among the fastest growing in the world, swelling from 39.1 million people (3.1 percent of the population) in 2000 to roughly 707 million (50.8 percent of the population) in 2018."

"The report released by PRICE added that the share of middle class in the total Indian population rose from 14 per cent in 2004-05 to 31 per cent in 2021-22, about 420 million."

The claim that its only CCP members who benefit from the Chinese economy is another lie, put out by the likes of the Village Trumpster, the CCP has about 96 million members. Draw your own conclusions.

The average Chinese worker receives an income of over $US16,000 annually, the average Indian worker less than $US7,000.

On World Bank figures the Chinese economy is valued at over $17 trillion while India's is at around $2 trillion USA $23 trillion Australia $1.5 trillion annually. It is projected the Chinese economy will surpass the US economy by 2030.

The village idiot concedes that China has no fair judiciary, is committing genocide against ethnic minorities, executes 1000s of its citizens and is essentially a police state that killed 50 million of its own people in the 70s, yet still thinks communism is great.

The world bank's data is as follows:

Country Most Recent Year Most Recent Value
(Millions)
USA 2021 23,315,080.56
China 2021 17,734,062.65
Japan 2021 4,940,877.78
Germany 2021 4,259,934.91
India 2021 3,176,295.07

So the village idiot got it wrong again.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true

The latest prediction by the World Bank is that China won't overtake the US until 2035. Given its economic problems, this is likely to be pushed further out.

The true comparison with China i.e. Taiwan is doing fantastically better than China and didn't even have to massacre its citizens.

Oh, don't beat me master, I got it wrong I should have said $3 trillion not 2 for India, my typo, but then again I could have rounded up China to $18 trillion not 17. Anyway you look at it China's economy is at least 6 times bigger than India's. But then again the Village Trumpster is a financial genius who according to him runs a 100 million dollar business in New Zealand, that's when he's not cashing his dole cheque that is, ha, ha, ho, ho.

BTW; I'd didn't mention Japan or Germany who have small economies compared to China. Village Trunpster I am wiping the floor with you on this India/China comparison as Effy would say; "how embarrassment" it must be for YOU. Read the facts, incomes, economic value, the number of middle class people, etc etc. All you can do is quote right wing hogwash about the Chinese. If all you are saying is true, why doesn't Australia take the moral high ground and ban all trade with China? After all we've never committed genocide against anyone, well, not recently.

The Village Trumpster can't even get Taiwan right; "(Taiwan) didn't even have to massacre its citizens." Taiwan occupied and run by the Nationalist under Chiang Kai-shek (1949-1975) murdered millions of Chinese firstly as Japanese collaborators during WWII and then post war as they retreated before the advancing Chinese Communists under Mao. Get it right son! Taiwan was run by a repressive regime well into the 1980's. with the first democratic presidential election held in 1996.

Wasn't in Taiwan Idiot.

The Village Trumpster admits the Chinese Nationalist under Chiang Kai-shek who ruled Taiwan for 36 years, murdered other Chinese. Chiang and his supporters fled to the island of Formosa, a part of China, in 1949 where Chiang set up an undemocratic regime under his control. In Taiwan he may not have murdered too many dissidents (locals) as the vast majority now on the island were his supports. Between 1928 and 1949 Chiang is credited with murdering 10 million people.

BTW; Village Trumpster I am in favour of true independence through self determination for the Taiwanese people, unlike YOU who favours a war mongering American puppet regime that can continue hostilities and ultimately a proxy war with mainland China. In a similar way America has used Ukraine to wage war with Russia.

BBTW; with the American economy heading for recession or depression, China might become the worlds leading economic power well before 2030.

Village Trumpster said;

Around 140,000 Taiwanese were imprisoned under harsh treatment during the rule of Chiang Kai-shek of Taiwan (1949-1975) with many either indirectly dying (estimated to be around 30,000) or suffering various health problems due to imprisonment. About 3,000 to 4,000 were directly executed for their real, or perceived opposition to the KMT's Chiang Kai-shek government.

Was in Taiwan Idiot.

Village idiot, Once again not in Taiwan.

I see that you have conceded that since the foundation of Taiwan in 1949 and Communist China, the economy of Taiwan vastly outperformed that of China. and nothing compares to the peacetime murder of 50m by the communists in China.

Also, the 10m is a wild estimate and is highly disputed, However, the purge by the communists in the late 40s was closer to the 10m

PS,

The village idiot is an ex-bankrupt communist sympathiser that lives off the dole.

Are you allowed near schools yet?

Village Trumpster,

You can't help yourself can you? I see you are once again trying with your PAEDOPHILE innuendo. When you can't raise an argument YOU crawl into the gutter.

You made a claim in reference to deaths at the hands of Chiang Kai-shek who was the totalitarian ruler of TAIWAN for 36 years; "Wasn't in Taiwan Idiot" YOU WERE WRONG. Not only was Chiang Kai-shek responsible for 10 million deaths in China between 1928 to 1949, Chiang Kai-shek's regime on TAIWAN was responsible for thousands more deaths there between 1949 and 1975. Summery executions at the hands of the regime continued on TAIWAN after the death of Chiang Kai-shek in 1976. At the time of his death Chiang Kai-shek eldest son, Premier Chiang Ching kuo, was the ruler of TAIWAN Chiang Ching kuo continued with his fathers policy of autocratic rule until his death in 1988.

"the 10m is a wild estimate and is highly disputed" by whom? YOU a gutter snipe.

Unlike YOU, I can freely admit the Communists under Mao Zedong were responsible for the deaths of millions.

Village idiot,

You started this including plenty of insults and outright lies. You made your bed you disgusting troll.

Taiwan and China split in 1949 from which the comparison is valid. How far do you want to go back, and which dynasty? YOu have lost this argument.

What, I called you a Trumpster which YOU most certainly are, a lover of the Dangerous Doctor Donald, and all his quackery! I've told no lies about YOU! YOU are a gutter snipe by implying I'm a paedophile, I started nothing you disgusting animal.

I see in Taiwan the people want monuments and statues of your beloved folk hero Chiang Kai-shek destroyed. No doubt there are still bitter memories of the terror he inflicted in TAIWAN itself. Hated by the old, and despised by the young.

I repeat again unlike you I am in favour of a free TAIWAN. The people should be allowed to exercise independent self determination, free from political and military interference from both China and United States.

Village idiot,

You called me a far-right extremist amongst other lies. I've called you a supporter of Jonathan Doig which you most certainly are.

Are you allowed near schools?