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Rationalists hack into Australia's 'no religion' in census data : Comments

By Spencer Gear, published 4/7/2022

The demise of religion could be a step in the right direction if it related to worship of the true God. We need to make it clear what will replace this breakdown of religion.

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The religion question was the only non-compulsory question in the census. And yes, people who skipped it are that lazy; others think that they are not Christian because they don't attend church, or they are not perfect. Others think it is not anyone else's business - especially not Big Brother's.

There is far too much being read into this, mainly by the Marxists.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 4 July 2022 9:12:27 AM
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I grew up a Seventh Day Adventist. They used to quote Revelation 3:16 (KJV) "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." (and I read Pilgrims Progress in High School). I would now describe myself as an atheist, so agree with the central premise of your argument - if you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ you shouldn't tick a Christian religion on the census.

Whether of not the census is God's clarrion call to evangelical Christians, I'll have to leave to believers.

(PS: Using the word "harping" when describing an argument you don't like is pretty patronising and not very good evangelism...)
Posted by Anthony Bishop, Monday, 4 July 2022 9:19:55 AM
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But is Christian-ism in any sense true? Which of course it is not.

Christian-ism because it is primarily an ideology based on a set of half-baked ideas about what we are as human beings, the nature of the natural world, and the nature of Reality Itself.
Ideas which are essentially God-less and based on an entirely separative mis-understanding of the above three themes as described in this essay:
http://www.beezone.com/beezones-main-stack/three_great_myths_questioned.html

These essays provide a comprehensive critique of the self-serving ideas at the root of the kind of naive institutional religiosity that the author promotes:
http://www.dabase.org/up-1-6.htm Narcissus
Elaborations of Narcissus which is another name for sinners and the fact that sinners inevitably create hell-on-earth http://www.beezone.com/narcissus.html
http://www.dabase.org/up-5-2.htm
http://dabase.org/up-1-1.htm
http://www.dabase.org/up-1-2.htm

What did Saint Jesus of Galilee actually teach and demonstrate while he was alive - the "resurrection" of course did not happen.
http://www.dabase.org/up-5-1.htm
http://www.dabase.org/up-6.htm
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 4 July 2022 10:32:19 AM
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When people ticked, no religion, it did not mean what Spencer claims, i.e., no religious belief or no belief in a true God!

All they were indicating was no organized religious membership. Simply put one does not need to go to a church to worship God, in fact far better placed to carry that conviction and conversation with God, by staying away and keeping his or her plate money in his or her pocket.

And or choosing who and when to help with Christian charity rather than some gold and satin bedecked, pulpit pounding imposter?

A job for life with a house, a car, food, health care and free booze thrown in? And lots of tea and cake as you make your weekly rounds?

No thanks Spencer, you go get a real job and pay your own way like everybody else and don't bother God until he calls for your service and fair dinkum truth telling in his name!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 4 July 2022 11:19:38 AM
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Of course it should have been the church leaders who were ticking 'no religion'. They are the ones who have sold out to the Marxist/Woke culture.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 4 July 2022 11:25:02 AM
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I agree with Anthony’s point, that Spencer tends to attack people he disagrees with using insults not arguments. Stripped of prejudicial language, all the opening paragraphs of his article boil down to is this – atheists and rationalists are pointing to the decline in religious affiliation recorded in the census as a reason to reduce the privileged position of Christianity in parts of our public life. I find this neither surprising nor unreasonable. And Spencer’s argument that “My experience is that few secularists are prepared to admit this freedom to believe whatever they choose came from God” is entirely circular and self-referential. Of course they will not “admit” this.

As a practicing (non-evangelical Anglican) Christian I think there is much food for though in the recent census data, and like Spencer I don’t think it’s necessarily all bad news. But sneering at, and misrepresenting, the views of the non-religious is hardly a constructive response.
Posted by Rhian, Monday, 4 July 2022 11:56:06 AM
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